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Old 02-19-2016, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Mannymal
Could you stop being so dramatic? No one is ignoring anything. WE GET IT. We're "all in". We just want to talk about the PRACTICAL matters regarding our starting a new job that is quite complicated and different from what we do.
He isn't being dramatic, he's just being realistic. The future of working for the company today is much different than what it was a month and a half ago when most of the guys getting classes now, interviewed. A month and half ago I was trying to get all my friends hired, now I am telling them to hold on. Our union has a gun to it's head and who knows if management is going to pull the trigger.
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Old 02-19-2016, 10:34 AM
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Dude... WE KNOW. It's been mentioned like five times on each page for the last few weeks in this thread. Yet if anyone asks for pracical knowledge they get dogpiled about how they have to go and find it.
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Old 02-19-2016, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by be76flyer
He isn't being dramatic, he's just being realistic. The future of working for the company today is much different than what it was a month and a half ago when most of the guys getting classes now, interviewed. A month and half ago I was trying to get all my friends hired, now I am telling them to hold on. Our union has a gun to it's head and who knows if management is going to pull the trigger.

The last sentence is hilarious. They're gonna pull the trigger...omg!....they're gonna do it.....As you can see we have our share of drama queens here.
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Old 02-19-2016, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 900drver
How did they notify ?
Of the class date, you mean? By email. It's the only sure way to get in touch with me based on my location.
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Old 02-19-2016, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
What a shame. New-hires who are actively trying to ignore the issues that could cost us all millions over the course of a career. I'm very concerned about our future if this is the apathy we face.
I don't think anybody is "actively trying to ignore the issues". I think that we're all taking it all in, evaluating our current situation, evaluating our willingness to step into a potential fight, and making a decision based on the info we have.

I appreciate all the opinions...good, bad, and ugly. It helps me make an informed decision. That said...do you expect people to make life decisions solely based on anonymous rants from people on the internet?

Personally, I prefer to have everything relating to working for Atlas in one thread. It makes it easier for me to keep up with it, which is usually done on a phone while sitting somewhere waiting for my next flight.
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Old 02-19-2016, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff:
The new contract WILL be better.

BUT, incrementally better, or REALLY better???

That is the multi-million dollar question.
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Which decade will it be signed is the real question.
If this contract takes ANY length of time to get implemented, then it is only incrementally better, and tonnes of pilots will leave, and we'll get less new hires and/or lower quality new hires...
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Old 02-19-2016, 01:19 PM
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Atlas management is actively trying to slash our pay
First I've heard of this...can you share some details and sources? Haven't heard anything remotely like this from the company or the union.

I DID read one anonymous poster who said he thinks we will all move to the Southern Contract as a replacement for the split Atlas/Southern contracts we now have. I think his opinion is way off base.

I would appreciate any feedback or info...positive or negative.

Namaste.
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Old 02-19-2016, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
First I've heard of this...can you share some details and sources? Haven't heard anything remotely like this from the company or the union.

I DID read one anonymous poster who said he thinks we will all move to the Southern Contract as a replacement for the split Atlas/Southern contracts we now have. I think his opinion is way off base.

I would appreciate any feedback or info...positive or negative.

Namaste.
BK did say in the last union call in that it is possible for our contract to get worse in an amalgamation.

Realistically I don't think we'll get worse. I think their goal is to get everyone riled up and scared and use the amalgamation threat to get us to accept a marginally better contract vs fighting for a lot better.
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Old 02-19-2016, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by plift
BK did say in the last union call in that it is possible for our contract to get worse in an amalgamation.

Realistically I don't think we'll get worse. I think their goal is to get everyone riled up and scared and use the amalgamation threat to get us to accept a marginally better contract vs fighting for a lot better.
^^^^^ Thank you. Ive been lurking and wondering if I was nuts to be the only one thinking this....
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Old 02-19-2016, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by silver fleet
^^^^^ Thank you. Ive been lurking and wondering if I was nuts to be the only one thinking this....
You're not crazy. It's the standard union busting playbook. We all know it. We just need to get everyone onboard with the idea that we actually DO have to fight for better and not wind up with scraps. Remember, it wasn't a long time ago that FDX, UPS, and SWA had crappy, second-tier contracts.
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