Atlas Air Hiring
01-28-2016, 09:26 PM
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However, it does not answer the question whether Atlas COULD (not saying WOULD) legally flush the SA pilots?
The argument comes up as it is no secret that some of the workforce (a small percentage) at SA could not pass the scrutiny of a thorough background check (not bashing anybody) and that this could be a liability for Atlas...
I understand the 1224 relationship, the need for pilots, retention, etc. However, what could the union do to prevent such a move, if indeed that was a likely scenario?
Once again, just playing the devils advocate... (and I'm curious)
The argument comes up as it is no secret that some of the workforce (a small percentage) at SA could not pass the scrutiny of a thorough background check (not bashing anybody) and that this could be a liability for Atlas...
I understand the 1224 relationship, the need for pilots, retention, etc. However, what could the union do to prevent such a move, if indeed that was a likely scenario?
Once again, just playing the devils advocate... (and I'm curious)
The Southern pilot group is zero threat to the Atlas pilot group, IMO. They have 250-ish pilots. We hired 300 last year alone, and interviewed 160 this month. Once we merge and get the Southern guys under our CBA, they'll need to hire a TON of guys, because our work rules are more restrictive than theirs. Growth/upgrades on the Atlas side will continue due to sheer growth (but I think you're jumping the gun on Amazon), and they'll have to hire just to comply with our rules.
I can't speak for everyone, but the Southern list is complimentary to ours. My seniority would pretty much be the same whether an SLI is done by DOH or relative seniority. And no matter what method is chosen, it's likely we'll be fenced from each other's fleets for a while, perhaps even three years. That's in management's best interest - say we merged and the 777 was declared new equipment. Every Atlas pilot would be freed from a seat lock and it would cause a training nightmare.
And enough with the "concerns" about their pilots. We ain't exactly perfect, either.
There's only one way we come out ahead on this deal: All in. All together.
01-28-2016, 09:35 PM
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And no matter what method is chosen, it's likely we'll be fenced from each other's fleets for a while, perhaps even three years. That's in management's best interest - say we merged and the 777 was declared new equipment. Every Atlas pilot would be freed from a seat lock and it would cause a training nightmare.
01-29-2016, 06:59 AM
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Atlas management could probably attempt any maneuver you can think of. However, the Atlas ExCo has made it clear that we will welcome the Southern pilots with open arms, and that anything else will be fought vigorously.
The Southern pilot group is zero threat to the Atlas pilot group, IMO. They have 250-ish pilots. We hired 300 last year alone, and interviewed 160 this month. Once we merge and get the Southern guys under our CBA, they'll need to hire a TON of guys, because our work rules are more restrictive than theirs. Growth/upgrades on the Atlas side will continue due to sheer growth (but I think you're jumping the gun on Amazon), and they'll have to hire just to comply with our rules.
I can't speak for everyone, but the Southern list is complimentary to ours. My seniority would pretty much be the same whether an SLI is done by DOH or relative seniority. And no matter what method is chosen, it's likely we'll be fenced from each other's fleets for a while, perhaps even three years. That's in management's best interest - say we merged and the 777 was declared new equipment. Every Atlas pilot would be freed from a seat lock and it would cause a training nightmare.
And enough with the "concerns" about their pilots. We ain't exactly perfect, either.
There's only one way we come out ahead on this deal: All in. All together.
The Southern pilot group is zero threat to the Atlas pilot group, IMO. They have 250-ish pilots. We hired 300 last year alone, and interviewed 160 this month. Once we merge and get the Southern guys under our CBA, they'll need to hire a TON of guys, because our work rules are more restrictive than theirs. Growth/upgrades on the Atlas side will continue due to sheer growth (but I think you're jumping the gun on Amazon), and they'll have to hire just to comply with our rules.
I can't speak for everyone, but the Southern list is complimentary to ours. My seniority would pretty much be the same whether an SLI is done by DOH or relative seniority. And no matter what method is chosen, it's likely we'll be fenced from each other's fleets for a while, perhaps even three years. That's in management's best interest - say we merged and the 777 was declared new equipment. Every Atlas pilot would be freed from a seat lock and it would cause a training nightmare.
And enough with the "concerns" about their pilots. We ain't exactly perfect, either.
There's only one way we come out ahead on this deal: All in. All together.
Certainly interesting and exciting times for all parties involved.
There is the potential for a win/win scenario for all, including the Atlas pilot group in their quest for a new contract, strength in numbers...
This could also put Atlas on the map as a destination carreer opportunity
01-29-2016, 08:02 AM
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Apparently everyone being hired is hired because they aren't capable of being hired at the majors later on.
01-29-2016, 08:37 AM
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01-29-2016, 09:13 AM
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In my class of 23 in Oct. I can tell you there were only a few outside the typical box to be hired by a Legacy. I being one of them as I do not have a 4 year degree and have not been considered wind resistant for many years now. I have 18 years doing ACMI and the lifestyle of a legacy is not appealing. I will say that if half my class or more is still at Atlas in 5 years it will be their choice as they were all very well qualified with college degrees and good hands. To imply anything less is insulting and wrong. I have friends at nearly every major carrier out there and many miss the ACMI life and talk about the good ole days with fondness and if you're a young man maybe with the years to build a large retirement fund it is worth it. The hopefully enhanced job security of a Major is another reason, but anyone who has been in this business for any length of time knows its a crap shoot for security. In summery there was a very diverse group of New hires in my class and all were good people with good skills and work ethic. Any Airline would be lucky to have them. Just my .02
01-29-2016, 09:54 AM
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Does anyone know what day Atlas will be at WIA in Nashville, TN in March? I'm only available that Wednesday, 9 March. Has anyone tried to do a meet and greet at one of these job fairs without a Fast Pass?
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