Leave without pay and building seniority
09-01-2024, 02:49 PM
#11
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That exact thing happened to a FedEx guy that thought he'd try out United on his off days and see if it was more his style. He lost both jobs.
09-01-2024, 04:39 PM
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09-01-2024, 06:22 PM
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With the Atlas system of gateway basing you have time to join, get a feel for the fleets and how things work, and then decide to move the fam or not. Don’t rush your decision. Bases at Atlas nowadays, and in the near future, are more for pay purposes than anything else.
09-01-2024, 09:05 PM
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OP,
It appears you are currently employed outside of the US and looking to relocate to the US?
You cannot be employed by two airlines simultaneously.
Also your first year may not be the best time to relocate, most has been mentioned already.
Once you’re somewhat familiar with the system you and your family can decide if you want to live close to a base and if now what an easy (paid) commute would be or if you can even continu to live outside of the US.
Best of luck.
It appears you are currently employed outside of the US and looking to relocate to the US?
You cannot be employed by two airlines simultaneously.
Also your first year may not be the best time to relocate, most has been mentioned already.
- Training
- OE
- Consolidation
Once you’re somewhat familiar with the system you and your family can decide if you want to live close to a base and if now what an easy (paid) commute would be or if you can even continu to live outside of the US.
Best of luck.
09-01-2024, 09:12 PM
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I should’ve mentioned that I’m an Air Force guy with 15 years on fighters (leaving the Air Force… something about my neck and back not being able to put up with it anymore) so there’s no problems with a conflict of interest between competing companies. There’s also no intent to try and shirk the system, just trying to max perform it within my circumstances.
Sounds like this isn’t the best way forward though so I’ll steer clear. Should be able to utilise the six months of leave to subsidise that initial pay cut before it gets better again.
Sounds like this isn’t the best way forward though so I’ll steer clear. Should be able to utilise the six months of leave to subsidise that initial pay cut before it gets better again.
09-02-2024, 05:17 AM
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I should’ve mentioned that I’m an Air Force guy with 15 years on fighters (leaving the Air Force… something about my neck and back not being able to put up with it anymore) so there’s no problems with a conflict of interest between competing companies. There’s also no intent to try and shirk the system, just trying to max perform it within my circumstances.
Sounds like this isn’t the best way forward though so I’ll steer clear. Should be able to utilise the six months of leave to subsidise that initial pay cut before it gets better again.
Sounds like this isn’t the best way forward though so I’ll steer clear. Should be able to utilise the six months of leave to subsidise that initial pay cut before it gets better again.
09-02-2024, 06:14 AM
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Could be my ignorance as I thought all fighters are considered centerline thrust.
Why Atlas? How about a year at a regional then the Majors?
09-02-2024, 07:13 AM
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I have known a number of pilots who went elsewhere, and remained on a seniority list, from a given operator. To say it's not done is untrue. To call it "selfish" is ignorant and judgemental.
I have known operators who didn't pay out sick time when the employee left; the employee with sick time and vacation accrued might get nothing if he didn't take it. It's his time, after all, and taking it at the end of a hitch, whether sitting home, out fishing, or off at employer B, it's still his time. Selfish? Hardly. Selfish and dirty is the company that withholds that time from the pilot.
As for how the next employer views "dual employment," that's up to the employer, if the employer knows at all. I'm aware of pilots now who are on a seniority list and yet working elsewhere, and both companies know.
In leaner times, it was quite common for furloughed pilots to go to company B and be told they'd need to resign their seniority, and yet company A understood, tongue in cheek, and tore up the resignation, knowing that the pilot would be back. Everyone knew, really, given that times don't always stay lean.
The easiest way to handle the move between companies is to have a gap between leaving one and hiring at the other, to make the move, but given that you typically wind up at a hotel with your class for a couple of months, and you wouldn't be home anyway, its often just as easy to go to the new company, get hired, go to class, and move after. Or commute for a while and move at your liesure. In the airline world, that's what people do; commute. For ACMI carriers that are home-based and buy you a ticket to work, moving for work becomes a memory. For carriers in which you might enjoy a couple of weeks off at a time, moving during your days off might be the better option.
I have known operators who didn't pay out sick time when the employee left; the employee with sick time and vacation accrued might get nothing if he didn't take it. It's his time, after all, and taking it at the end of a hitch, whether sitting home, out fishing, or off at employer B, it's still his time. Selfish? Hardly. Selfish and dirty is the company that withholds that time from the pilot.
As for how the next employer views "dual employment," that's up to the employer, if the employer knows at all. I'm aware of pilots now who are on a seniority list and yet working elsewhere, and both companies know.
In leaner times, it was quite common for furloughed pilots to go to company B and be told they'd need to resign their seniority, and yet company A understood, tongue in cheek, and tore up the resignation, knowing that the pilot would be back. Everyone knew, really, given that times don't always stay lean.
The easiest way to handle the move between companies is to have a gap between leaving one and hiring at the other, to make the move, but given that you typically wind up at a hotel with your class for a couple of months, and you wouldn't be home anyway, its often just as easy to go to the new company, get hired, go to class, and move after. Or commute for a while and move at your liesure. In the airline world, that's what people do; commute. For ACMI carriers that are home-based and buy you a ticket to work, moving for work becomes a memory. For carriers in which you might enjoy a couple of weeks off at a time, moving during your days off might be the better option.
09-02-2024, 07:44 AM
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For the ‘why Atlas’, yall have done a good job on these forums and Facebook highlighting the good and bad and right now Atlas most closely resembles what I’m looking for from life. I’d also like to live in base (ANC) and Atlas is the better looking carrier there. UPS is the other option and the pay is significantly better but it sounds like their work resembles something closer to pack horses than the Giant team.
As for pax flying… don’t think I could bring myself to do it. Horses for courses and that’s not my course.
09-02-2024, 07:47 AM
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I have known a number of pilots who went elsewhere, and remained on a seniority list, from a given operator. To say it's not done is untrue. To call it "selfish" is ignorant and judgemental.
I have known operators who didn't pay out sick time when the employee left; the employee with sick time and vacation accrued might get nothing if he didn't take it. It's his time, after all, and taking it at the end of a hitch, whether sitting home, out fishing, or off at employer B, it's still his time. Selfish? Hardly. Selfish and dirty is the company that withholds that time from the pilot.
As for how the next employer views "dual employment," that's up to the employer, if the employer knows at all. I'm aware of pilots now who are on a seniority list and yet working elsewhere, and both companies know.
In leaner times, it was quite common for furloughed pilots to go to company B and be told they'd need to resign their seniority, and yet company A understood, tongue in cheek, and tore up the resignation, knowing that the pilot would be back. Everyone knew, really, given that times don't always stay lean.
The easiest way to handle the move between companies is to have a gap between leaving one and hiring at the other, to make the move, but given that you typically wind up at a hotel with your class for a couple of months, and you wouldn't be home anyway, its often just as easy to go to the new company, get hired, go to class, and move after. Or commute for a while and move at your liesure. In the airline world, that's what people do; commute. For ACMI carriers that are home-based and buy you a ticket to work, moving for work becomes a memory. For carriers in which you might enjoy a couple of weeks off at a time, moving during your days off might be the better option.
I have known operators who didn't pay out sick time when the employee left; the employee with sick time and vacation accrued might get nothing if he didn't take it. It's his time, after all, and taking it at the end of a hitch, whether sitting home, out fishing, or off at employer B, it's still his time. Selfish? Hardly. Selfish and dirty is the company that withholds that time from the pilot.
As for how the next employer views "dual employment," that's up to the employer, if the employer knows at all. I'm aware of pilots now who are on a seniority list and yet working elsewhere, and both companies know.
In leaner times, it was quite common for furloughed pilots to go to company B and be told they'd need to resign their seniority, and yet company A understood, tongue in cheek, and tore up the resignation, knowing that the pilot would be back. Everyone knew, really, given that times don't always stay lean.
The easiest way to handle the move between companies is to have a gap between leaving one and hiring at the other, to make the move, but given that you typically wind up at a hotel with your class for a couple of months, and you wouldn't be home anyway, its often just as easy to go to the new company, get hired, go to class, and move after. Or commute for a while and move at your liesure. In the airline world, that's what people do; commute. For ACMI carriers that are home-based and buy you a ticket to work, moving for work becomes a memory. For carriers in which you might enjoy a couple of weeks off at a time, moving during your days off might be the better option.
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