Resigned in training
07-20-2024, 01:51 PM
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Resigned in training
Well, training for the 73 did not go as planned. I was halfway through SIT's when I realized I would not be ready for the checkride in time. Stuff just was not clicking in a timely manner. I have no doubt I could have made it through, but not in the amount of time alloted. No extra help/training was offered - the company is already fat with pilots with the 73/76 flying scaling back. The firehose is very real. Not having jet time was certainly a factor, and The Amazon drama probably had some impact on my headspace; I was excited to fly the 73 domestic, not nearly as excited to be displaced into wide-body long haul flying...
I'm bummed, other classmates with similar backgrounds are doing OK, I guess my meat computer is just more suited to turbo-prop flying.
So, my question is how do I put this on my resume? I don't have any fails or unsats in the training records - I quit before that would be an issue. Any guidance much appreciated.
I'm bummed, other classmates with similar backgrounds are doing OK, I guess my meat computer is just more suited to turbo-prop flying.
So, my question is how do I put this on my resume? I don't have any fails or unsats in the training records - I quit before that would be an issue. Any guidance much appreciated.
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07-20-2024, 04:30 PM
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Well, training for the 73 did not go as planned. I was halfway through SIT's when I realized I would not be ready for the checkride in time. Stuff just was not clicking in a timely manner. I have no doubt I could have made it through, but not in the amount of time alloted. No extra help/training was offered - the company is already fat with pilots with the 73/76 flying scaling back. The firehose is very real. Not having jet time was certainly a factor, and The Amazon drama probably had some impact on my headspace; I was excited to fly the 73 domestic, not nearly as excited to be displaced into wide-body long haul flying...
I'm bummed, other classmates with similar backgrounds are doing OK, I guess my meat computer is just more suited to turbo-prop flying.
So, my question is how do I put this on my resume? I don't have any fails or unsats in the training records - I quit before that would be an issue. Any guidance much appreciated.
I'm bummed, other classmates with similar backgrounds are doing OK, I guess my meat computer is just more suited to turbo-prop flying.
So, my question is how do I put this on my resume? I don't have any fails or unsats in the training records - I quit before that would be an issue. Any guidance much appreciated.
But you should definitely avail yourself to the services of a professional airline career "coach"/resume prep service. Might cost you a few hundred dollars but you've come this far. No sense in handicapping yourself with a clumsy resume chronology.
Good luck, something else will come along soon enough.
07-20-2024, 04:52 PM
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You said SIT not SIM correct?
Whats going on that you couldn’t make it through a procedure training device?
What does the lack of jet time have to do with a fixed base procedure trainer?
Those are steps you’re supposed to prepare for and practice with your training partner.
You have access to all the lessons on your iPad.
What’s really going on here?
07-20-2024, 05:12 PM
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Well, training for the 73 did not go as planned. I was halfway through SIT's when I realized I would not be ready for the checkride in time. Stuff just was not clicking in a timely manner. I have no doubt I could have made it through, but not in the amount of time alloted. No extra help/training was offered - the company is already fat with pilots with the 73/76 flying scaling back. The firehose is very real. Not having jet time was certainly a factor, and The Amazon drama probably had some impact on my headspace; I was excited to fly the 73 domestic, not nearly as excited to be displaced into wide-body long haul flying...
I'm bummed, other classmates with similar backgrounds are doing OK, I guess my meat computer is just more suited to turbo-prop flying.
So, my question is how do I put this on my resume? I don't have any fails or unsats in the training records - I quit before that would be an issue. Any guidance much appreciated.
I'm bummed, other classmates with similar backgrounds are doing OK, I guess my meat computer is just more suited to turbo-prop flying.
So, my question is how do I put this on my resume? I don't have any fails or unsats in the training records - I quit before that would be an issue. Any guidance much appreciated.
Does atlas report in PRD? Quitting during training may show as unsatisfactory during training on PRD.
From an Envoy ALPA email recently
"LEAVING ENVOY WHILE IN TRAINING -. With the rollout of the PRD, management and ALPA have become aware of a limitation in the PRD system. If a pilot leaves the company while in training, the company has no choice but to report to the PRD that the training is unsatisfactory. This is a constraint within the PRD software allowing only a Satisfactory or Unsatisfactory recording. There is currently no option for incomplete or withdrawal from training selections. This means that a pilot in good standing, with no incomplete or unsatisfactory grades during their training, and who leaves the company while in training will have their training reported as unsatisfactory in the PRD. ALPA national is aware of this issue as it is affecting every carrier industry-wide and is working diligently with the FAA to see if this can be fixed in the PRD software. In the meantime, if you plan on leaving the company while in training, you should fully disclose to your future employer that you are currently in training and that your PRD record will show a failure to qualify. Most companies are aware of this issue and have been very understanding when fully disclosed."
07-20-2024, 05:30 PM
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How you explain it is up to you, as it was your decision to leave. "I didn't feel I was ready," or "I was overwhelmed," are honest answers, and there is no shame in that. You evaluated your situation and took the steps that you felt necessary, which is what a good pilot does. It's better than having to say, "I knew I wasn't going to make it, but I went in swinging and missed, anyway."
A few years ago at the 2016 olympics, Simone Biles backed out of much of her competition. This was notable as she was then, and is now recognized as the greatest of all time at her discipline(s), and she wasn't feeling it. She said she didn't feel in touch with her spatial awareness while doing aerial moves, something she called "the twisties," and even at her level and experience, pulled back. Knowing when to do that, and when not to is a life skill that doesn't just apply to training, but also to operations. We ceretify ourselves fit to fly. We certify ourselves fit to train and we have to know if we're ready or not. You felt that you weren't ready to proceed, and you acted accordingly.
This doesn't mean you're relegated to turboprops only, but you may wish to find a smaller hose, operating under a lower pressure, to re-introduce yourself to turbojet operations. Some operations are made for that, some aren't. Regionals are designed from the ground-up to take very inexperienced pilots and put them in a turbojet, crewed cockpit, and might be an option; there are others.
For now, you do not need to put training on your resume that you didn't complete. My resume shows "career highlights," not every job I've done. It's a single sheet of paper, not a book, so it's not there to document everything. Save that space for things that reflect your experience and that show you have experience for the job. Incomplete training may not be the best foot to put forward in that regard, so leave it aside in favor of other employment or experience, and explain your actions in person.
Purchasing some coaching is a wise path.
07-20-2024, 07:27 PM
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For a long time it used to be that you were given the option to resign rather then getting fired.
Since it’s a bit of a self correcting industry you can now expect questions like “have you ever not completed a training program” or “have you ever resigned from a training program”.
Still…coming from turbo props you wash out of what is a PROCEDURE trainer?
Thats very odd.
Did you have all your CBT’s finished before you started class or none of them and you got into a time crunch where you couldn’t prepare for the SIT? What about your training partner?
Something is not adding up here.
Since it’s a bit of a self correcting industry you can now expect questions like “have you ever not completed a training program” or “have you ever resigned from a training program”.
Still…coming from turbo props you wash out of what is a PROCEDURE trainer?
Thats very odd.
Did you have all your CBT’s finished before you started class or none of them and you got into a time crunch where you couldn’t prepare for the SIT? What about your training partner?
Something is not adding up here.
07-21-2024, 03:48 AM
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Don't put it on your resume. It will be in your training record, however, and will show up with every check of your pilot records (pilot record database). You will be obligated to explain it.
How you explain it is up to you, as it was your decision to leave. "I didn't feel I was ready," or "I was overwhelmed," are honest answers, and there is no shame in that. You evaluated your situation and took the steps that you felt necessary, which is what a good pilot does. It's better than having to say, "I knew I wasn't going to make it, but I went in swinging and missed, anyway."
A few years ago at the 2016 olympics, Simone Biles backed out of much of her competition. This was notable as she was then, and is now recognized as the greatest of all time at her discipline(s), and she wasn't feeling it. She said she didn't feel in touch with her spatial awareness while doing aerial moves, something she called "the twisties," and even at her level and experience, pulled back. Knowing when to do that, and when not to is a life skill that doesn't just apply to training, but also to operations. We ceretify ourselves fit to fly. We certify ourselves fit to train and we have to know if we're ready or not. You felt that you weren't ready to proceed, and you acted accordingly.
This doesn't mean you're relegated to turboprops only, but you may wish to find a smaller hose, operating under a lower pressure, to re-introduce yourself to turbojet operations. Some operations are made for that, some aren't. Regionals are designed from the ground-up to take very inexperienced pilots and put them in a turbojet, crewed cockpit, and might be an option; there are others.
For now, you do not need to put training on your resume that you didn't complete. My resume shows "career highlights," not every job I've done. It's a single sheet of paper, not a book, so it's not there to document everything. Save that space for things that reflect your experience and that show you have experience for the job. Incomplete training may not be the best foot to put forward in that regard, so leave it aside in favor of other employment or experience, and explain your actions in person.
Purchasing some coaching is a wise path.
How you explain it is up to you, as it was your decision to leave. "I didn't feel I was ready," or "I was overwhelmed," are honest answers, and there is no shame in that. You evaluated your situation and took the steps that you felt necessary, which is what a good pilot does. It's better than having to say, "I knew I wasn't going to make it, but I went in swinging and missed, anyway."
A few years ago at the 2016 olympics, Simone Biles backed out of much of her competition. This was notable as she was then, and is now recognized as the greatest of all time at her discipline(s), and she wasn't feeling it. She said she didn't feel in touch with her spatial awareness while doing aerial moves, something she called "the twisties," and even at her level and experience, pulled back. Knowing when to do that, and when not to is a life skill that doesn't just apply to training, but also to operations. We ceretify ourselves fit to fly. We certify ourselves fit to train and we have to know if we're ready or not. You felt that you weren't ready to proceed, and you acted accordingly.
This doesn't mean you're relegated to turboprops only, but you may wish to find a smaller hose, operating under a lower pressure, to re-introduce yourself to turbojet operations. Some operations are made for that, some aren't. Regionals are designed from the ground-up to take very inexperienced pilots and put them in a turbojet, crewed cockpit, and might be an option; there are others.
For now, you do not need to put training on your resume that you didn't complete. My resume shows "career highlights," not every job I've done. It's a single sheet of paper, not a book, so it's not there to document everything. Save that space for things that reflect your experience and that show you have experience for the job. Incomplete training may not be the best foot to put forward in that regard, so leave it aside in favor of other employment or experience, and explain your actions in person.
Purchasing some coaching is a wise path.
07-21-2024, 04:05 AM
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Don't put it on your resume. It will be in your training record, however, and will show up with every check of your pilot records (pilot record database). You will be obligated to explain it.
How you explain it is up to you, as it was your decision to leave. "I didn't feel I was ready," or "I was overwhelmed," are honest answers, and there is no shame in that. You evaluated your situation and took the steps that you felt necessary, which is what a good pilot does. It's better than having to say, "I knew I wasn't going to make it, but I went in swinging and missed, anyway."
A few years ago at the 2016 olympics, Simone Biles backed out of much of her competition. This was notable as she was then, and is now recognized as the greatest of all time at her discipline(s), and she wasn't feeling it. She said she didn't feel in touch with her spatial awareness while doing aerial moves, something she called "the twisties," and even at her level and experience, pulled back. Knowing when to do that, and when not to is a life skill that doesn't just apply to training, but also to operations. We ceretify ourselves fit to fly. We certify ourselves fit to train and we have to know if we're ready or not. You felt that you weren't ready to proceed, and you acted accordingly.
This doesn't mean you're relegated to turboprops only, but you may wish to find a smaller hose, operating under a lower pressure, to re-introduce yourself to turbojet operations. Some operations are made for that, some aren't. Regionals are designed from the ground-up to take very inexperienced pilots and put them in a turbojet, crewed cockpit, and might be an option; there are others.
For now, you do not need to put training on your resume that you didn't complete. My resume shows "career highlights," not every job I've done. It's a single sheet of paper, not a book, so it's not there to document everything. Save that space for things that reflect your experience and that show you have experience for the job. Incomplete training may not be the best foot to put forward in that regard, so leave it aside in favor of other employment or experience, and explain your actions in person.
Purchasing some coaching is a wise path.
How you explain it is up to you, as it was your decision to leave. "I didn't feel I was ready," or "I was overwhelmed," are honest answers, and there is no shame in that. You evaluated your situation and took the steps that you felt necessary, which is what a good pilot does. It's better than having to say, "I knew I wasn't going to make it, but I went in swinging and missed, anyway."
A few years ago at the 2016 olympics, Simone Biles backed out of much of her competition. This was notable as she was then, and is now recognized as the greatest of all time at her discipline(s), and she wasn't feeling it. She said she didn't feel in touch with her spatial awareness while doing aerial moves, something she called "the twisties," and even at her level and experience, pulled back. Knowing when to do that, and when not to is a life skill that doesn't just apply to training, but also to operations. We ceretify ourselves fit to fly. We certify ourselves fit to train and we have to know if we're ready or not. You felt that you weren't ready to proceed, and you acted accordingly.
This doesn't mean you're relegated to turboprops only, but you may wish to find a smaller hose, operating under a lower pressure, to re-introduce yourself to turbojet operations. Some operations are made for that, some aren't. Regionals are designed from the ground-up to take very inexperienced pilots and put them in a turbojet, crewed cockpit, and might be an option; there are others.
For now, you do not need to put training on your resume that you didn't complete. My resume shows "career highlights," not every job I've done. It's a single sheet of paper, not a book, so it's not there to document everything. Save that space for things that reflect your experience and that show you have experience for the job. Incomplete training may not be the best foot to put forward in that regard, so leave it aside in favor of other employment or experience, and explain your actions in person.
Purchasing some coaching is a wise path.
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