dmspilot

We have established that the resignation from Atlas will be disclosed at some point in the process.

Not including it on the resume will introduce a discrepancy between the resume and the application.

Is it unethical to omit Atlas from the resume? No. Is he obligated to include Atlas on his resume? No. Will future employers appreciate the omission? No.

TiredSoul

Would you rather be turned down:

• after the interview or;
• not be invited to an interview

Do you want the chance to explain it or not?
Look, due to no fault of mine my own resume looked like I was broken.
It took 30+ applications to get a 135 interview and I got hired.
It took boat loads to get a 121 interview and I got hired.
Then I applied and I got hired.
Your resume gets you in the door and the interview gets you hired.
That’s a fact.
I also approached every training event with the attitude that Failure is not an option.

Brownose74

To the OP:

I’ve seen this play out before. The best advice is to get with a pro on how to place it in your resume— not the failure but employer— and how to go about explaining the issue. I’ve known dudes with dual DUIs get hired at legacies.its all about how you prepare yourself. You won’t be the first nor you won’t be the last. Don’t ever lie about this stuff, ever. Your next employer will find out about this washout one way or another and it’s better to give them the information from your mouth than have them come to you later to get it… which will prolly end up with you being let go and that’ll be yet another fun thing to explain to yet another employer.

next piece of advice is, own your mistakes. Flying a jet has no bearing on a SIT. SITs are designed to get you prepared for systems, flows and procedures. I went from a Saab 340 to a 738 and I had to study extra extra hard.
going forward, on any airplane, you need to take personal responsibility and study harder! Every airline you apply to training will be similar. You are expected to do A LOT of self study… no airline is going to spoon feed you.
Next time tell your family you are going to be AFK for two to three months to leave u the F alone.
grab ur student manuals and study ever night for the next session of your SIT, SIM etc etc. use your sim partner as much as you can… some will be more than happy to help you.
but really dude, don’t fool anyone that you quit on a SIT cus it’s a jet. There ain’t no shame in the game. And if you thought you studied, then next time STUDY HARDER.
most airlines will be very helpful if they see you did your part to study.
most instructors know who did their HW or not, trust me.

Sliceback

Exactly. There is NO legal requirement to put down all your employment.

Now let's cut to the chase - when the company says - ALL jobs post H.S., or post college, not putting them down isn't meeting their requirements and can set off bells.

I had guys who interviewed who only thought they needed aviation related jobs. "It says all jobs post college." "But I was only a manager at a Ruby Tuesday's in college." "You were a manager at Ruby Tuesday's? What type of manager?" "I ran the whole restaurant. Top manager wasn't always there and I was the second in command." "You did this in COLLEGE?!? Put that down. You're showing that people who knew you as a 21-22 yr old thought highly enough of you to have you run an entire restaurant!!" That was impressive. He thought because it wasn't aviation related to not put it down. Next guy, now a Brig. General, was waiting for his UPT class date. Six months off between OTS and UPT. I casually asked "what did you do?" "It was the spring/summer so I started a small lawn care business for the summer." You didn't hang out at the beach? "No. I figured I'd work." He hadn't put that down. I told him to do it as it was part of the SOP the airline wanted on it's resume/applications. Would the airline every know about the job? No. But he wouldn't have the twitch at the back of his head when asked if his paperwork was complete. I told him that included it was a positive as it showed how, when given a choice between being casual or working, he choose work. His drive followed him throughout his career. He was in the group that lost their pilot training slots when the Cold War drawdown. Got a mx job to stay near jets, Palace Chase'd to a home town ANG unit as a mx officer, and competed for a UPT slot. "How many of your other classmates that got parked went to UPT?" "None that I know of." His inconsequential lawn care job matches up with the drive he showed later in life. So he gets points for thoroughness, honesty, and drive but listing a seemingly worthless job.

Sliceback

Mid career track his resume will have a 2 month gap of no work? That will be questioned. Now he can lie or hope he can wiggle out of it when the PRD says his training was "incomplete." It reeks of deceit when it wasn't mentioned upfront. He's going to on his back foot as the interview progresses.

Be prepared to explain all breaks in education, work history, why you left jobs, training busts, etc.

Sliceback

There's another lesson here - being a Caravan FO thinking "I can be a 737 FO!" Are you ready? If you reach too far how will a training bust/fired look on your resume?

Back in the late 1990's. Daughter of a Captain applied. Kids and company employees applying to be pilots were taken with lower requirements. Interviewer went to the CP - "I think we should turn her down and tell her to reapply in a year. Go get more twin engine time, and a higher job level, and gain more experience." CP - "She's good enough." Interviewer/CKA - "she busted out of training. She wasn't ready. We ruined her career chances. Instead of coming back in a year she'll struggle to get another top notch 121 carrier to hire her." He was kind of bitter about it as his concerns were correct.

There can be a value to making incremental changes. And small jets don't fly like big jets. Just like n/b's don't completely fly like w/b's. There's incremental changes that even more experienced people occasionally take a bit of time to adapt to.

Dubh

^^^this 100%^^^
I was in the same situation, after an Indoc with a particular 36th Street operator in SoFlo.
It's money well spent, and it's a write-off.

StoneQOLdCrazy

terrible gouge

JohnBurke

Of course it will "surface." Repeatedly.

It will appear on the job application.

It will absoluteely be discussed in an intreview.

It will be documented in a PRD records check.

Nothing's being hidden or disguised: full disclosure.

But that doesn't mean it belongs on a resume.

It's not "gouge." It's a simple fact.

A resume is a brief, truncated, concise one-page listing of some of one's attributes, and coupled with a cover-letter, exists for on reason, and on reason only: to request an interview. There is considerable information about an applicant which will not be found on a resume (which is why on fills out a job application, with the details).

Not everything goes on the resume, nor is on obligated to cite, nor can one necessarily find enough room to cite, all of one's experience.

Not in the least.

When a company says "all jobs post high school" or "post college," the company is asking for that information in the job application, where on lists one's work history.

Not on a resume.

Atlasvet

We are beating a dead horse here, largely due your insistence that he leave it off his resume. As I illustrated in post #37 there are two options.
I included a response from a professional interview coach, which is likely more valuable then our exhausting back and forth.