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Old 08-24-2023, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NevadaJack
So year 1 is



That’s $70k a year, I know folks flying scenic tours in pistons who make more


So from what I can see, with that math it would take ether 3 years as a FO or a capt upgrade to get to 120k, what any 2500tt guy with some turbine could make flying most anything


This can’t be right can it?


Yet they post this




So basically after thousands of flight hours these 121s expect me to go into the poor house for 2 years, “paying dues” I guess

And frankly the big three ain’t all that much better it seems

Again I’m new to hourly as well as 121 to any clarification would be great
That compensation flyer is embarrassing. It was drawn up to recruit pilots, and all it has done is burn our credibility. They even include premium pay as an expected part of compensation. No good excuse for this.
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Old 08-24-2023, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NevadaJack
WN?

Seems even AA and UA have so so pay for a few years unless you upgrade

Also I have yet to get call from them despite having well over their mins and a professionally edited app


It’s confusing
WN is Southwest. Yes, no airline a\job is going to have great pay at year 1….. None, but if compensation is a factor. You need to consider that all the legacy carriers are about to ratify new contracts with significant Pay, Retirement and QOL improvements…

As for getting no call, I would recommend getting to a job fair.. The next one is LPA in September.

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Old 08-25-2023, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by NevadaJack
So year 1 is



That’s $70k a year, I know folks flying scenic tours in pistons who make more


So from what I can see, with that math it would take ether 3 years as a FO or a capt upgrade to get to 120k, what any 2500tt guy with some turbine could make flying most anything


This can’t be right can it?


Yet they post this




So basically after thousands of flight hours these 121s expect me to go into the poor house for 2 years, “paying dues” I guess

And frankly the big three ain’t all that much better it seems

Again I’m new to hourly as well as 121 to any clarification would be great
You got it all figured out. Just stay at your current job.
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Old 08-25-2023, 11:38 AM
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Those other numbers were "realistic" during Art33 pay. Obviously they are way off now.

But that 737 CA number is nothing but a complete fabrication and a lie.
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Old 08-25-2023, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Those other numbers were "realistic" during Art33 pay. Obviously they are way off now.

But that 737 CA number is nothing but a complete fabrication and a lie.
I don’t understand why a 737 Captain would make $4000 more per year in per diem than a 737 first officer?
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Old 09-02-2023, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
1) Hourly rate x monthly guarantee x12. Plug that number into a take home pay calculator for your zip code to get an accurate picture.

UAL, AA, SWA have bases in Chicago that aren’t going anywhere and are quick to hold… two of those fly widebodies and all three usually make better financial sense to go to.
IF we could work for those guys we wouldn’t be on this forum.
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Old 09-06-2023, 11:34 AM
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It sounds like they’re using military recruiter tactics painting an overly rosy picture and telling people whatever they want to hear. Come here and make lots of money, see the world, enjoy our great benefits and retirement. Just sign right here and we’ll get you in a class.
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Old 09-06-2023, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 121again
It sounds like they’re using military recruiter tactics painting an overly rosy picture and telling people whatever they want to hear. Come here and make lots of money, see the world, enjoy our great benefits and retirement. Just sign right here and we’ll get you in a class.

You have to go into any situation with both eyes wide open, especially in this industry. You can't 100% believe either the Rosy Company painted picture, or the Horrible Negative Nancy painted picture; it's almost always somewhere in between. Just do your due diligence and research, and talk to as many people as you can that presently work for whatever company you are trying to be a part of, or people that know people if you can't do the former.

We only have ourselves to blame if we end up somewhere we didn't do enough research on prior to signing the dotted line, and ultimately wind up being miserable at said place for whatever reason.
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Old 09-06-2023, 04:27 PM
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Rubber to the road, real world numbers: On year 3 pay, based on the 8-31 YTD from the most recent pay stub I am projecting $190k +/- . You'll make more elsewhere. Don't know where the company comes up with those whacky numbers. Atlas is what you make of it, and for the most part I like it here hence having not left (although the thought crosses my mind every time I get a 1am wake up call).
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Old 09-06-2023, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by notthesame
Rubber to the road, real world numbers: On year 3 pay, based on the 8-31 YTD from the most recent pay stub I am projecting $190k +/- . You'll make more elsewhere. Don't know where the company comes up with those whacky numbers. Atlas is what you make of it, and for the most part I like it here hence having not left (although the thought crosses my mind every time I get a 1am wake up call).
Is $190k projected for end of 2023 or end of August 31? How many days off have you averaged per month? What equipment?
Thanks
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