Egg320

No worries but it was actually intended for people to talk about their experiences as opposed to the actual training, apologies if it did not come out like that.

CRJJ

Based on my experience (737) and many of the captains that come from the 777, the Southern side seems a bit more......here, FCOM 1&2, FCTM, FOM, enjoy!. No system classes. So you do need some discipline studying because you are pretty much on your own. Boeing instructors, some are awesome, some are meh, but overall they'll help get where you need to be. Every company LCA I've met has been awesome, so no issues there.
74 & 76, Atlas side, training experience is a bit different as it's been mentioned before.
In 10 days we'll all be Atlas, and I have the impression that a few changes may be made on the training department to standardize programs a little bit?, but maybe I'm wrong.
You have plenty of experience, or so I read, so don't worry at all. Best of luck getting hired, and after that, it's a 121 training, give everything you have and you'll be just fine.

ACMIguy

Well I chose to stay here over going to AA so I must like it. That said, I’ve been here 11 years and am in my early 40s. Younger and/or guys with less longevity here will probably have a different perspective. When I hired on in 2011 I was afraid I would hate it here having flown for two ACMI outfits prior. Turns out I loved it from day 1. My first trip off OE was a week layover in HNL followed by a week in SYD. Of course a month later I was in Bagram and Dubai. My five years on the 747 was a two week adventure every month. From going on Safari in Kenya to eating dinner in a tent in Casablanca with belly dancers providing the entertainment. The whale is where you want to be if you’re an adventurer.
I’ve been in the left seat on the 767 for the last six years and have equally enjoyed it, but for different reasons. I now am fairly senior and can hold basically week on/week off schedules with layovers in base (I live in base) so I’m rarely gone from home more than 2 or 3 days. the flying is the easiest I’ve ever done. Usually one leg and then 24-30 hours off. Kinda routine boring stuff but great if you have a family life. Atlas puts us in decent hotels. Lots of Hilton’s, Hyatts and the like. This side of the operation has made me very lazy and comfortable. Eventually I’d like to move to Alaska and bid Anchorage turns on the Queen again but that’s a matter of convincing the other half.
Back, to AA. Most people would think I’m crazy for not leaving in a heartbeat but after doing my research my overall QOL would suffer. I currently live in base and would end up commuting. I’ve done the crash pad game before and it’s a miserable existence for the most part. At 42, I calculated the min guarantee salary of both companies and I am past the break even point. I’d make roughly $5.1 mil at at Atlas vs. $5.0 mil at AA if I went to the bottom there and worked my way up (assuming a 7 year upgrade and 50/50 narrow body/wide body). That said, AA has a significantly better retirement contribution than Giant (although ours did improve somewhat with this new CBA). I’d be at the bottom of a 15,000 seniority list vs. being in the top 1/5th at Atlas. I made my choice (with slight hesitation) and stick by it.
Atlas pro’s:
-Gateway travel is a major selling point.
-Long haul (747/777) & short trips (767/737)
-Awesome vacation and slide policy.
-No PTO but fairly liberal sick call policy.
-Greatest group of pilots I’ve flown with.
-You can be Indiana Jones with a pilots license if you want.
-You’re sort of on your own here. They hand you the keys and let you do your job. No babysitting.
-You accumulate elite hotel/airline status quickly.
-World’s largest fleet of 747s
-Open time pay policy can be lucrative.

Atlas cons:
-Retirement plan is there but lackluster
-17 days on the 747 can get old after a few years.
-For a large aircraft operator the pay is more in line with a LCC (Spirit/Frontier). But if you can live comfortably on 250k a year instead of 350k you’ll be fine.
-Schedule changes on the 747 fleet could be a blessing or a curse. One minute you’re scheduled to fly to Fiji and the next minute it’s blown up and you’re headed to Accra. But the opposite holds true as well.

ACMIguy

I’ve been on the 767 for six years and have spoken to scheduling maybe twice. Very, very little schedule changes if you’re a line holder.

Egg320

On average what would be the difference in pay between a 767 Pilot and 747 pilot with all things being equal like seniority, 3rd year pay etc but going off hourly rate and how many hours a month each gets on average.

Are we talking a fairly significant chunk of change? By the sounds of it the 767 is the much better lifestyle and roster, time at home etc but is the financial difference too large?

Roverruckus

Main thing that puts the 74 over the edge pay wise at the moment is opportunities for covid and hostile pay at 175 percent. Way less of it on the 76. Otherwise, you can block more on the 74 but you will be working for it.

Twin Wasp

The new contract has a three year 747 F/O at about $161 an hour and a three year 767 F/O at $152. Both step climb about $5 dollars a year and will max out at $181 and $172 respectively in four years .

Egg320

However if for example the 767 guys average 65 hours a month and the 747 are say on 80 hours a month, that is a significant chunk of change. Now I have no idea if that’s true with regards to the hours but from what I have read you definitely block more on the 747.

So over your first 4 years you are potentially looking at an extra 200k in earnings or something like that if for the given situation I used above is anywhere near accurate, again I would not know but others might..

N19906

Thanks for the effort you put into that post.
It reinforces what I’m hoping for.

Just throw us the keys and leave us be, so we can go wander the world.
Can’t think of another outfit offering that potential.

Elevation

Historically 747s make about ten more credit hours per month. That may be changing, though. Certain protections in our new contract affect just how much of a credit-hour difference we actually see. Since the contract is being implemented piecemeal it'll take some time to figure out just how different the fleets are.