C17B74

Yup, a lot of overage pay to be had these past 18 months or so. Based on this I came across an Atlas Air Brochure during a job fair in MIA. I was doing some training and was curious on what numbers were being advertised. Here is what was in the Tri-Fold Brochure (middle page) with the verbiage included, but the bar graph was color coded so I just broke it down:

“Our Total compensation goes well above and beyond rate.”
”Atlas delivers pay for the complex work we do. Flight and other Pay Credits, Premium Pay, RIG, and Per Diem are just a part of the total value proposition. Below is just an example of some of the great opportunities ahead. The numbers provided are the average earnings based on 2020 average flying times of 200-900 block hours.”

First Officer 3-4 yrs
737 Low $125K, Medium $145K, High $155K
767 Low $130K, Medium $235K, High $379K
777 Low $135K, Medium $270K, High $342K
747 Low $135K, Medium $250K, High $459K

Captain All Years of Service
737 Low $220K, Medium $335K, High $355K
​​​​​​​767 Low $285K, Medium $443K, High $651K
777 Low $320K, Medium $460K, High $710K
​​​​​​​747 Low $335K, Medium $470K, High $760K

*Remember, this was 2020 it stated; therefore, pay rates, etc. were not yet in effect as well. While some of it may be true due to the Art 33 bump and those pushing VX, I will let those that have been here for more than a minute make their own judgments. 2021 would have been a slightly better assessment. I am only assuming Low = the absolute lowest and the High = the absolute highest (Sim Runner/Check Airman/Super Senior High Flyer?)

**I have shown quite a few 74 Captains this and they did not hit the average and were perplexed is a kind way to say it. I am sure there are a few, but not the norm… Met a few hard charging 74 FO’s and 265K was their number, but they were quite senior (not 3-4 years) and doing a lot of VX/OT… I can understand 2022 with pay rates, Art 33 for the past 5 months most everywhere to include profit sharing so get it while you can.

​​​​​​​My Point: This is an official brochure being handed out.

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TiredSoul

Thats ridiculous.
What they call Medium I would call that the absolute High.

Elevation

That brochure included overtime and incentive pay. They also factored benefits and retirement into those numbers. Of course for them to be meaningful one would have to make the same additions to competitor pay as well.

Even then the brochure's numbers are misleading at best. I'm a little embarrassed our company distributed information this inaccurate.

dera

You're saying 747 FO's absolute high is 250k/year?
I assume they include every little thing in there - DC and 401K match, per diem, profit sharing and so on. At least 747 rates, those are not far off.

TiredSoul

<4 yr FO yes.
I mean you’ve got a handful of 10+ year FO’s that swipe all the sugar runs on OT.

Buzologic

Thats exactly why I asked how many hours of pay year 1/2 people are making averagely at the moment cause those numbers are probably not very relevant and mainly used to lure people in.

Thanks for the guys that answered real numbers so far

dera

Nah. Not true.
Just look at the amount of OT right now. I've got a call every single day I put a VX on my schedule so far, even as the most jr pilot on the list.

dera

At the moment is a tricky thing. At the moment, easy 120+ hours of credit for a new hire if you don't work any extra, 200 if you want to work a bunch of days. But that will likely change. I think China will stay retarded for at least until end of this year, so there is still cheddar left for someone hired today. But it will not last forever, we all know that.

For a brand new guy, the most jr line award* in ANC 747 was a 60 day line with 113 and 126 hour guarantees. Its his first month off OE.

*pretty nice line too. 15 days off in July, few trips that begins with a deadhead, including a trip starting with a commercial to HNL.

Fillmore Slim

First Officer 3-4 yrs

737 Low $125K, Medium $145K, High $155K

767 Low $130K, Medium $235K, High $379K

777 Low $135K, Medium $270K, High $342K

747 Low $135K, Medium $250K, High $459K


Captain All Years of Service

737 Low $220K, Medium $335K, High $355K

767 Low $285K, Medium $443K, High $651K

777 Low $320K, Medium $460K, High $710K

747 Low $335K, Medium $470K, High $760K


​​​​​​​My Point: This is an official brochure being handed out.


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Thank you for sharing this.



CAUTION RANT BELOW:


There are 3-4 management types on these boards who will continue to attempt to lure you to Atlas Do your research before you come here. We have an extremely high number of pilot resignations right now (more than I've ever seen during my tenure here).


What complicates this is that the company has the ability to make extreme profits for the next few years due to freight rates being at record highs. Therefore, they will go to great lengths to put you in a seat to make them $.


This is why they're attempting to lure you here, so they can capitalize on these profits. Some time ago, they offered the pilot group a $5000 referral bonus for every pilot we bring to Atlas. Despite having a diverse social network chock full of overqualified pilots, I haven't been able, in good faith, to recommend any of my friends to come here. Some of my reasoning is below:


- The new tri fold brochure with regards to pay are full of disinformation.

- In the past, senior management lied to new hires about our contract (specifically how an American style contract was due to us any day).

- We've been promised a trip trade module for 10+ years but still don't have one.

- Our new contract has not been fully implemented despite our unions' repeated attempts.

- Our reserve system is broken and we have no seniority rights within the reserve system, despite our contract telling us so.

- 17 day patterns are extremely fatiguing. I've personally watched Captains walk off airplanes and quit on the spot due to the constant changes.


There's only a handful of folks I've seen that make it to 65 on the line. I would like to propose that we study them, because despite my attempts to eat healthy and exercise (sometimes at 2 a.m. on the other side of the world), my body continues to deteriorate at an inexplicable pace. This will negatively affect your career earnings potential!


Here's to hope.


~Slim
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SealingStemBolt

They must be throwing everything and the kitchen sink in to get those numbers. Not just per diem and 401k but the company's side of the health care plans. Plus the "high" is probably the absolute highest W2 they could find. So we're talking 20 year captain who does doubles 20 days in a row at the training department.