Atlas Air Fleet Type differences
09-11-2021, 09:14 PM
#21
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You can get split lines on the 767 as a pretty junior FO. Those run 10 on, 6 off, 7 on, 7 off, or close to it.
Also, where's home? Where you live plays a role in what fleet you may want to go after. ONT 767 works well for west coast folk.
09-12-2021, 02:13 AM
#22
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Joined APC: May 2013
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Interesting thought as I showed a SWA friend the new 737 numbers and said their close to his outfit. No way as I gleamed APC numbers. He then sent me direct from their website actual numbers. Something is amiss as they were lower than reported here. Granted they have soft pay and he said the pay on their home site is slightly higher than shown based on pay per trip vs pay per hour flown and rigs. (1 hr = 1.15 trips). But the rates were as follows: 12 yr Capt $245.64 2020 / 12 yr FO $171.95 2020 pay rates. Hmmmm.
09-12-2021, 04:02 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 26
737 might be the best, but that's for someone at Southern to answer.
You can get split lines on the 767 as a pretty junior FO. Those run 10 on, 6 off, 7 on, 7 off, or close to it.
Also, where's home? Where you live plays a role in what fleet you may want to go after. ONT 767 works well for west coast folk.
You can get split lines on the 767 as a pretty junior FO. Those run 10 on, 6 off, 7 on, 7 off, or close to it.
Also, where's home? Where you live plays a role in what fleet you may want to go after. ONT 767 works well for west coast folk.
09-13-2021, 04:16 PM
#25
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Tampa Reserve on rhe 767 is nice, but lines change all the time. We usually have MIA flying on the 767 as well. Same mention of lines changing. MIA is super senior for the 747.
I don't know about 737 stuff.
Expect lots of American miles as you fly to work.
I don't know about 737 stuff.
Expect lots of American miles as you fly to work.
09-13-2021, 04:34 PM
#26
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Seat locks do not apply when bidding for your first Captain position with the company. If you spend 18 months in the 747, then go to the 767(“downgrade”) you would have a 36 month seat lock…but if you could hold Captain, in any fleet, in, say, 18 months…you would be awarded that bid.
09-13-2021, 04:59 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Position: B747 FO
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18 month seat lock for new hires. If you bid up in pay rate, 18 month seat lock on new equipment. Lateral pay rate bids(we don’t have any 2 fleets the same pay rate so this is not applicable at this time) incur 24 month seat lock. If you bid down in pay, 36 month seat lock.
Seat locks do not apply when bidding for your first Captain position with the company. If you spend 18 months in the 747, then go to the 767(“downgrade”) you would have a 36 month seat lock…but if you could hold Captain, in any fleet, in, say, 18 months…you would be awarded that bid.
Seat locks do not apply when bidding for your first Captain position with the company. If you spend 18 months in the 747, then go to the 767(“downgrade”) you would have a 36 month seat lock…but if you could hold Captain, in any fleet, in, say, 18 months…you would be awarded that bid.
09-13-2021, 05:15 PM
#28
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I’m pretty sure it’s 18 months for new hires…but I just looked through my PDF’s and I can’t find the one that shows details about what was already agreed upon. Section 24, Filling of Vacancies, is what addresses seat locks. 24.K I believe. That section was TA’d several years ago.
I could be wrong, though…it wouldn’t be the first time…not even the first time today. I’ll see if I can dig up the TA’d sections info.
I could be wrong, though…it wouldn’t be the first time…not even the first time today. I’ll see if I can dig up the TA’d sections info.
09-13-2021, 05:26 PM
#29
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CRJJ called me out on some of my numbers, so I had to dig up the documents and pull the correct numbers. I pulled them from memory on my first post…I’m not sure if they have changed in the past couple years since I remember hearing that from a negotiator or if I’m remembering incorrectly.
24 month seat lock for new hires.
18 month seat lock for bids that are on higher paying equipment.
30 month seat lock for bids on same paying or lower paying equipment.
Upgrade from FO to Captain voids all seat locks and can be done anytime, to/from any aircraft.
Sorry about the initial misinformation.
09-13-2021, 05:27 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Position: B747 FO
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I’m pretty sure it’s 18 months for new hires…but I just looked through my PDF’s and I can’t find the one that shows details about what was already agreed upon. Section 24, Filling of Vacancies, is what addresses seat locks. 24.K I believe. That section was TA’d several years ago.
I could be wrong, though…it wouldn’t be the first time…not even the first time today. I’ll see if I can dig up the TA’d sections info.
I could be wrong, though…it wouldn’t be the first time…not even the first time today. I’ll see if I can dig up the TA’d sections info.
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