C17B74

Perhaps give some reasons/thoughts why you have focused on the 777, your priorities and/or your preferred schedule/lifestyle and it will be easier to confirm if they are attainable or not. Another fleet may meet your needs, but the 777 is very good for lily pad hopping as well if that is a priority in the future.

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How many hours per month are people on the 767 usually blocking?

RyeMex

I think I’ve averaged 200-300 hours per year here. Part of that is from intentionally bidding reserve every now and then. Your mileage may vary. I think that the upper end you should expect is maybe 500-600 hour per year.

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Thanks for the info

Clcoregon

Hi there,

I'm not focused on the 777. I just couldn't find that many info about the 777 so I could compare with the 747 and 767. That is why I said thanks for all the info about the fleet.

I already got the 747 has a good pay check, hard on the body, non-domestic trip etc and for 767 better schedule , better QOL , less pay etc .........but I found just a few words o about 777.

That is it. Just trying to gather what is missing about the 777 to compare with what I have about the others and not focused on it.

newerjguy

Pros: great plane, good money, tons of opportunities for open time (if you want to live on the road for whatever reason), predictable schedules, generally chill people
Cons: you get a PF leg once a month (maybe 2 if you're lucky), very hard on your body, fitness, and sleep quality. No variety in the current system...you will see the same few places over and over.

Schedule: 30 or 60-day bid lines just like the other fleets. If you get a 30-day line (they tend to go senior) you will go out for 18 days on average (gateway to base on your last day off, then fly a 17-day pattern and probably be able to catch a flight home the same day that you finish the pattern).

60-day lines have you go out for a few trips anywhere from 5-10 days in length (5 is rare) with 5-9 days off between trips. More time commuting, but back in your own bed with more frequency.

Flying: almost all international long-haul flights with a crew of 4. Like the 747 it is hard on your body, especially the 20-ish hour days with a 2-leg stopover in Hong Kong to reload the plane.

Right now we mostly fly for DHL, and have 4 more airframes being delivered over the next two years. Will we get more variety in the system via new contracts and routes? Passenger charters one day? Who knows...but I think we will have 777's at Atlas for quite awhile.

Overnights: we see tons and tons of Incheon and Narita, some Leipzig, a dash of Sao Paulo, some Miami, Anchorage, LAX, and Cincinnati. The hotels are generally good. Incheon is currently going through another round of lockdown-esque rules, but otherwise there is some fun to be had most everywhere we go.

Overall it's an easy job. My QOL is way better than at the regionals, but it's not bidding long-call reserve in base at a PAX carrier either.

CRJJ

We do break guarantee every month, except for training months, unless you choose your days off to do so.
Upgrades are on the fast side, but you first need the experience to do that. If you're looking at that program I assume you're right at ATP mins ? Just a guess. It'd take you 4-5 years to gain that flight time here.
This training, in my opinion, is far from easy on the 73. But 100% doable as long as you put the time and effort. Jumping from piston to a 73 tho, that must be fun!. I remember going from piston multi to an erj145, and that was challenging.

I left my regional because of covid and no paycheck, but right now if the goal is majors, then you'll get there faster if you go to a regional IMO.

Elevation

400/year is about what I do.

Qr1979

great information thanks .What is the average hourly monthly on the 777 is it above the min guarantee?

newerjguy

Yes definitely above guarantee. 30-day lines will average mid-80's for the credit. On the 60-day lines, you will usually have one month where you just get CRT (about 75 credit hours of pay) and the other month will be higher block hours, and thus credit, in the mid 80's - 90's.

FOR NOW...as of this month...our entire network on the 777 qualifies for CBA Article 33 hazardous duty pay based on CDC covid risk levels. Article 33 legs pay 175%, so flying a line that doesn't break CRT is 75 hours x 1.75 = 131 credit hours of pay. This gravy train will eventually end...it will probably be a hot minute before it does but prudence says budget for min guarantee and be wise with the extra gravy.

CRT is kind of convoluted but think of it as what other airlines call "min day guarantee" where we get paid a base of 4.85 hours per 24-hour period on the road. 75 hours of CRT assumes you have 13 days off...any more days off and the CRT drops but you won't drop below 64 hours of pay.

We get paid the highest of min guarantee (64 hours), CRT (around 75) or block hours (85-ish on a good month).