Atlas Air Fleet Type differences
08-26-2021, 06:14 PM
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Hard to say. Right now it's about 5 to 6 years (I'm going to get corrected here), depending on fleet at Atlas. Someone at Southern can answer about those fleets.
Upgrade time varies a lot with retirements, attrition, customers and planes. Not long ago it was less than 3 years. Not long before that it was almost 10. So I wouldn't come here banking on a fast upgrade since the fleet that's growing today can be the fleet that's shrinking tomorrow.
Upgrade time varies a lot with retirements, attrition, customers and planes. Not long ago it was less than 3 years. Not long before that it was almost 10. So I wouldn't come here banking on a fast upgrade since the fleet that's growing today can be the fleet that's shrinking tomorrow.
08-26-2021, 06:57 PM
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it is difficult to accurately guess what the upgrade time is until the 2 pilot groups are combined and everyone is able to bid across all 4 fleets. As a result of that, I imagine upgrade time will decrease from the current 3-5 years on the Atlas side and around 2 years on the Southern side. Of course accelerating attrition and possible fleet growth will also effect upgrade time. If you have not flown ACMI international ops or similar you would probably not want to upgrade with less than 2 years anyways. Just my $.02
08-28-2021, 03:44 PM
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747: most money. Most schedule changes. Leave the country on day 1 and return on day 17. 90% overseas. Hard on your body. OK pay. Bad QOL.
777 (from what I gather): DHL. Laps around the planet to the same places. More stable schedule. Mellow folk.
767: junior flying is domestic Amazon and DHL. Senior flying is international DHL and AMC pax. Week on week off (10 days on or 6 days on). Not so hard on your body. Bad pay. Decent QOL.
737 (from what I gather) Hang out around CVG lots. Fly 20 hours a month.
Some southern person can correct/update me. Hope this helps you select a fleet or class date.
777 (from what I gather): DHL. Laps around the planet to the same places. More stable schedule. Mellow folk.
767: junior flying is domestic Amazon and DHL. Senior flying is international DHL and AMC pax. Week on week off (10 days on or 6 days on). Not so hard on your body. Bad pay. Decent QOL.
737 (from what I gather) Hang out around CVG lots. Fly 20 hours a month.
Some southern person can correct/update me. Hope this helps you select a fleet or class date.
We are all based in CVG, but we rarely fly out of CVG,(I have flown 2 times out of CVG in one year), making most of the 737 crews home based, the schedules are pretty light, mostly one flight a day, sometimes 2, I have never seen more than 2 legs, long overnights, pretty relaxed, if you want to log flight time, the 737 is not for you, average line is about 35 hours a month, however because of CRT (credit rig pay) the average line pay is about 75 hours a month, so basically you get paid for TAFB, not really flight time.
Also I have seen an increase on split trips on the 737, instead of 17 days On in a row, you get more like 10 on 7 off, 7 on 5 off, something like that, which I really like.
08-28-2021, 08:00 PM
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Can someone elaborate a little more on the difference between the 777 and 747 flying is? Schedule, average legs per day/ length, fatigue/QOL on the road? Are both subject to 17 day trips?
09-08-2021, 07:35 AM
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747: most money. Most schedule changes. Leave the country on day 1 and return on day 17. 90% overseas. Hard on your body. OK pay. Bad QOL.
777 (from what I gather): DHL. Laps around the planet to the same places. More stable schedule. Mellow folk.
767: junior flying is domestic Amazon and DHL. Senior flying is international DHL and AMC pax. Week on week off (10 days on or 6 days on). Not so hard on your body. Bad pay. Decent QOL.
737 (from what I gather) Hang out around CVG lots. Fly 20 hours a month.
Some southern person can correct/update me. Hope this helps you select a fleet or class date.
777 (from what I gather): DHL. Laps around the planet to the same places. More stable schedule. Mellow folk.
767: junior flying is domestic Amazon and DHL. Senior flying is international DHL and AMC pax. Week on week off (10 days on or 6 days on). Not so hard on your body. Bad pay. Decent QOL.
737 (from what I gather) Hang out around CVG lots. Fly 20 hours a month.
Some southern person can correct/update me. Hope this helps you select a fleet or class date.
How senior are the 767 split lines? Also, how long before someone could get CVG and/or JFK?
Also, do the 767's have the flat panel glass cockpit upgrades, and if not are they scheduled to?
09-08-2021, 09:25 AM
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Also, do the 767's have the flat panel glass cockpit upgrades, and if not are they scheduled to?
09-08-2021, 11:39 AM
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CVG often goes to new hires. If you happen to get ONT as a new hire...getting to CVG before training is finished is realistic. Junior JFK 767 FO was hired June 2020. I can’t answer how senior any FO lines go.
They have the old school original cockpits. Flat panels have been scheduled and re-scheduled for several years and pushed back every time we get near the day. I think now they’re scheduled to start retrofits Dec/Jan time frame, but don’t quote me on that...I don’t really pay attention because I know it will be changed and I honestly don’t care if we ever get them.
They have the old school original cockpits. Flat panels have been scheduled and re-scheduled for several years and pushed back every time we get near the day. I think now they’re scheduled to start retrofits Dec/Jan time frame, but don’t quote me on that...I don’t really pay attention because I know it will be changed and I honestly don’t care if we ever get them.
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