TiredSoul

Date of Swallow and years of service

Elevation

DOS increases still apply, though. We have an implementation committee. Eventually, when the whole contract is implemented we will have access to a signed document, like the 2011 contract. That signature will come with a date. Most of us assume DOS is based on the 10 September award date. I'd expect the company to nurse another six months by waiting put a dated signature on the contract.

The longer we go without having access to a binding, signed document, the more fuzzy things become. Implementation comes with some practical considerations, but we won't be able to go many more months without a real contract. Guides only take us so far without a real document to define our pilots' legal standing. Hopefully this period of ambiguity ends soon.

zerozero

The arbitration "award" is in and of itself a binding document. No signature required.

Proof? Look at your pay rate.

Elevation

"We haven't implemented that yet." is an answer we pilots receive. There's still disagreement about how certain provisions of the 2021 contract are interpreted and implemented. Some things are still being done according to the 2011 contract. Until we have a signed contract from both parties, there's ambiguity. Ambiguity makes it hard to enforce the contract. This is the very reason there's a section for arbitration of contract implementation. Without signed contracts (like the previously arbitrated 2011 contract) we're disadvantaged if we have to go to court for our pilots.

I get implementation takes time. We're training a new crop of stewards too. I'm just saying we have to acknowledge that we're in a state of limbo and we we can't stay here for too long. Sometime in the near future we'll have pilots that need us to go to bat for them again. Are we going to be ready? That's not me beating on 2750 or IBT either. I'm saying if our members take a sober look at how IBT, ALPA, APU or anyone is going to handle things during the next, big event, they have to look past the pro-forma assurances to the underlying funding and structures. Our legal standing is a very big part of that.

dera

The very front cover of the CBA says "Date of Signing: September 10, 2021".
JIC is the industry standard method on working with these transitions.

Elevation

I don't have a problem with the JIC. I see the date of signing too. My issue is that we have DRAFT CBA v2. We don't have a final, signed CBA to use in defense of pilots. Well, we still have the signed, final 2011 CBA.

I'm not upset. I'm not saying we should grab our pitchforks yet. I'm just saying we're in limbo, and we should recognize the associated risks. We have some pilots trying to apply sections of the new contract. Without a signed CBA to reference these people are exposed.

Kerizbro

Are the 76 guys still crediting around 75hrs each month with the new agreement?

Also, how long to hold a line on the 76 in CVG?

Elevation

Lines have changed a lot with the new contract, so it's sort of hard to answer. Right now it looks like people with about a year on property are getting some hard lines.

RyeMex

Based on the January/February package, it looks like lines that pay min guarantee or maybe 68-69 hours will be much more common going forward.

Airkan

Happy new year all!!
Could anyone give more specific and detail about 777 and 767 typical roster. How many days off,How many consecutive duty days. How long will it be the layover?Can you come back your home between flight duties. ?
Note: My home is TX.