TiredSoul

No.
They (Scheduling) will build the 60 day line that you then bid on.
Generally a 60 day line is a little more broken up then 17-13-17-13.
What you’re looking for is bidding the front end of the month on a 30 day followed by bidding the back end of the next month to have a 26-27 day block OFF.
That will only work if you have the base seniority to do that.
And you’re working 30-34 days straight in the middle.

Russell Coight

That makes sense - Good to know it's possible on the 30 day bid with some seniority.

Thanks for the info TS!

oaks5

Just curious… how do y’all pack for the trips?? Do laundry on the road? If so how long are the overnights?

OttoPilotOn

I pack for all climates because you could be sent anywhere. There’s laundry service at pretty much most hotels. Some have units in the rooms (ICN for example). Overnights range anywhere from 12 hours to 40+ hours.

Birdsmash

Pack for a week, fly, do laundry, repeat. A shirt will usually last a few days of flying. Pants will probably last the trip.

Swakid8

I pack 7 days worth of clothes (undershirts, underwear, shocks), 5 days worth of gym stuff, 1 shirt for every 3 days of flying 1 pair of pants for the entire trip, some protein bars, my resistance bands. Pair of Jeans, a couple of regular shirts.

oaks5

Thanks everyone. Appreciate everyone's input. How long is a typical duty day? Since passenger rest rules don't apply to cargo pilots, what's a typical daily duty limit?

C17B74

Ooops, TS already addressed this, but I will add further mud opposite of TS’s clarity.

Not likely at all, it is not normal to have anything greater than 15 days off in between trips on 60 day lines offered. The premise (I’d like to think) of 60 Day lines is to break up the monotony of 17 day consecutive trips; therefore, they are not built very often with any more than 15 days off in between trips. Normally split into 3 trips of various lengths, I have seen 4 trips but mostly R2 some R1 scattered within them if I recall. Very minor example on the 74: - Off first 5 days, work 12 days, off 7 days, work 8 days, off 10 days, work 14 days, off 4 days…using pure 60 days so realize the 30 day/31 day months cause variations. Guess what I am saying is you can’t count on anything, especially more than 13-14 days off consecutively, but you have a better chance with the 30 Day line(s) to achieve anything over 13-14 consecutive days off but you will pay for it somewhere down the line unless vacation, training, etc is used to mitigate it.

30 Day lines predominantly have 17 days working consecutively front, middle, end wherever they fall. Sometimes they are split in two trips such as 3-5 days working front half or back half while the opposite will carry the 12-14 days or some variation to build a 17 day working bid within the month. Unless living in/near base, a double commute is inevitable. Note: Normally the consecutive 17 working days get taken quickly due to single commute savings and a few senior folks have the ability to work the front half (17days) of the month off and work the second half (17days)of the next month; thereby, getting 26 or 27 days off consecutively in between. Understand this can only repeat itself if you bid back to back trips in-between. i.e. - Work 17, Off 13-14, Off 13-14, Work 17, Work17, Off 13-14, etc, etc… 34 Day trips have happened by accident here… and due to flight time constraints, etc you just might not be able to do the above anyway even if you were senior or lucky.

Russell Coight

Thanks for the mud

Great info, thanks!!

C17B74

Unsure if you’re from down under, but I really enjoyed my stays at Coogie Beach and Sydney pre-CVD19. Haven’t been back for quite awhile and very much looking forward to returning at some point. I always have a blast there.