JetBlue or Atlas?
09-26-2019, 01:44 PM
#21
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 229
Well I’m a little too new to say for sure but I do still have my doubts. I had a rough decade at the regionals so I’m very NE-commute averse even for a year or two. K4 guys are generally a satisfied bunch but I still see some old school ACMI-ness going on particularly in training, procedures, and scheduling. It also remains to be seen what sort of culture has evolved and is maintained once the expansion ends. Pilots are usually happy when companies are growing. The litmus test will be at the plateau and after. Again I’m new so my opinion could be different in 6 months. Take for what it’s worth.
09-26-2019, 01:49 PM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 310
Hey guys,
I'm new to the forums here. I'm an FO at a regional carrier and just received job offers for JetBlue and Atlas. At either airline, I'd be living in base. I have to make a decision for where I'd like to go.
Here are my considerations:
JetBlue Pros:
1) Excellent company culture and appear to be people-forward
2) Competitive pay
3) Positive company outlook for the next several years (Europe flying, A220 in lieu of E190, etc)
JetBlue Cons:
1) Similar to a regional flying footprint with slightly longer flights.
2) Driving length to the airport is considerably longer than what I have to do now.
3) Very similar scheduling structure as to what I do now. 4 on, 2 off, 4 on, 3 off, 4 on, maybe 5 off, etc. and so separation of work vs home life can be tough.
Atlas Pros:
1) Immense variety of flying
2) Highly respected fleet
3) High aggregation of days on vs days off and so quality of time off improves
Atlas Cons:
1) Comparatively inferior pay although contract negotiations are in progress
2) Work schedules are grueling
3) Pilots vs Management have a toxic relationship
The big factors here are quality of life, pilot pay, long term prognosis for my career, etc. What feedback do you guys have? What other things to consider am I missing? I appreciate your input, thank you very much.
I'm new to the forums here. I'm an FO at a regional carrier and just received job offers for JetBlue and Atlas. At either airline, I'd be living in base. I have to make a decision for where I'd like to go.
Here are my considerations:
JetBlue Pros:
1) Excellent company culture and appear to be people-forward
2) Competitive pay
3) Positive company outlook for the next several years (Europe flying, A220 in lieu of E190, etc)
JetBlue Cons:
1) Similar to a regional flying footprint with slightly longer flights.
2) Driving length to the airport is considerably longer than what I have to do now.
3) Very similar scheduling structure as to what I do now. 4 on, 2 off, 4 on, 3 off, 4 on, maybe 5 off, etc. and so separation of work vs home life can be tough.
Atlas Pros:
1) Immense variety of flying
2) Highly respected fleet
3) High aggregation of days on vs days off and so quality of time off improves
Atlas Cons:
1) Comparatively inferior pay although contract negotiations are in progress
2) Work schedules are grueling
3) Pilots vs Management have a toxic relationship
The big factors here are quality of life, pilot pay, long term prognosis for my career, etc. What feedback do you guys have? What other things to consider am I missing? I appreciate your input, thank you very much.
09-26-2019, 03:04 PM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 186
Well I’m a little too new to say for sure but I do still have my doubts. I had a rough decade at the regionals so I’m very NE-commute averse even for a year or two. K4 guys are generally a satisfied bunch but I still see some old school ACMI-ness going on particularly in training, procedures, and scheduling. It also remains to be seen what sort of culture has evolved and is maintained once the expansion ends. Pilots are usually happy when companies are growing. The litmus test will be at the plateau and after. Again I’m new so my opinion could be different in 6 months. Take for what it’s worth.
Very true! The biggest part for me is QOL. I actually just accepted a class date at K4 from a regional who had a guaranteed interview at DL. The thing is, they could pay me very well all day long but it doesn’t take the pain out of dealing with NYC and IROPS and making “podium announcements” along with “Galley Announcements”. I started in the freight biz working as an intern for ABX going thru college. So I know the nature of the beast. I live in-base for K4 so for me, it was kind of a no brainer (driving to work). DL is a great company and I hope they strive. I enjoyed the regionals but my fear was to settle there. Something I did not want to do. So, cheers to being onboard with K4 and I hope that it’s a smooth ride for new hires in this era.
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09-26-2019, 03:22 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 160
Bigger yes. shinier? well it sounds like you haven’t been in a dump truck. We all especially love the lav Sunday night at 3 am after it’s been on the ramp all weekend in July. Absolutely takes your breath away. New planes? well we even had an Ocho sporting a yellow tail with the Dhl rubbed off. 3 white engine cowlings and one blue thanks to a pod strike. some speed tape from a belt loader accident and they rolled the livery off the empennage with what I would guess was 10$ a gal Home Depot flat white bc it was still bleeding through. Yeah come to atlas and fly some dirty girls.
09-26-2019, 03:27 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 859
Very true! The biggest part for me is QOL. I actually just accepted a class date at K4 from a regional who had a guaranteed interview at DL. The thing is, they could pay me very well all day long but it doesn’t take the pain out of dealing with NYC and IROPS and making “podium announcements” along with “Galley Announcements”. I started in the freight biz working as an intern for ABX going thru college. So I know the nature of the beast. I live in-base for K4 so for me, it was kind of a no brainer (driving to work). DL is a great company and I hope they strive. I enjoyed the regionals but my fear was to settle there. Something I did not want to do. So, cheers to being onboard with K4 and I hope that it’s a smooth ride for new hires in this era.
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09-26-2019, 03:34 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Hopefully the bunk
Posts: 222
One significant exception at K4 would be CVG for the 767 guys, at least for the immediate future.
As far as the OP, assuming this is an actual misinformed professional and not a bored keyboard jockey on a long overnight:
http://www.atlasfacts.org/the-frank-odonnell-incident-2/
We were actually just discussing this story a few days ago, and it serves as an example of the difference between a company defined by frustrating but fixable issues, and one by honest-to-God managerial malice.
Of the listed options, JetBlue eight days a week.
As far as the OP, assuming this is an actual misinformed professional and not a bored keyboard jockey on a long overnight:
http://www.atlasfacts.org/the-frank-odonnell-incident-2/
We were actually just discussing this story a few days ago, and it serves as an example of the difference between a company defined by frustrating but fixable issues, and one by honest-to-God managerial malice.
Of the listed options, JetBlue eight days a week.
09-26-2019, 04:05 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 186
Hmm? I know a couple people on the 767 in CVG and I’ve been told you’re home a fairly good bit if you live here.
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09-26-2019, 04:08 PM
#29
Occasional box hauler
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,804
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