Globemaster2827

Once again remember that we'd be talking about a hypothetical scenario 7-8 years from now when Atlas's next contract would become amendable. Connie would be 90. Most people his age don't live to that age if I had to guess. If he's still alive he will certainly have health issues and might not know his own name. I hope that's not the case but Father Time is undefeated.

DC8DRIVER

What makes you think Atlas will have a contract to amend in 8 years??? lol

Globemaster2827

My guess is that the next deal is a 5 or 6 year deal and it comes in 2 or 3 years. Pure speculation though... Rest assured that Atlas Management will buy something if they can abuse that language again.

CA Deplorable

Connie has a follow-on and thats the Company’s Vice President Doug Kalitta and grandson Cory is being groomed to follow Doug....so there you have it. Unless there is a number with a lot of zeros....it wont happen, its a billion dollar privately owned company.

JonnyKnoxville

The same way ATSG bought Omni. Talk to the owner, agree to the price, and transfer the money.

I think the point Globemaster was trying to make was NOT that Atlas was buying Kalitta. It was an example to illustrate what a dumb move it would be to move to ALPA.

The merger (amalgamation) language in Section 1 of the current Atlas CBA would be used by management to indefinitely buy ALPA carriers and merge them into the Atlas pilot group thereby avoiding actual CBA negotiations indefinitely.

sandman22

Buying another carrier and amalgamating their contracts is only possible if the pilot groups of both carriers are of the same union? Therefore if Atlas had formed it's own union years ago then amalgamation would've never been an option and Atlas pilots could've voted on a contract?

DC8DRIVER

No. That's not correct.

I's in the contract Section 1 parts E & F.

wjcandee

Federal law says that Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk provisions must be followed when two air carriers merge. Put briefly, 3 says the seniority lists have to be combined in a fair and equitable manner, including through collective bargaining with the carrier. If no agreement can be reached within 20 days on how to merge the seniority lists, either party can submit it to interest arbitration. Section 13 says how that will happen: the NMB provides a list of 7 potential arbitrators and each party alternates crossing one name off the list until 1 remains. However, the parties can agree to a different method of dispute resolution or a different method of choosing the arbitrator.

However, if both combining classes or crafts are represented by the same collective bargaining agent, the collective bargaining agent's internal policies for integration supersede the Allegheny-Mohawk provisions.

So the Atlas CBA and the Southern CBA basically contain provisions along the lines of these laws, although the Southern agreement doesn't expressly talk about what happens if both groups are represented by 1224 the way the Atlas one does. But the law applicable to both, of course, is the same.

The legal arguments made in all these proceedings are super-hyper-technical and not really worth discussing here. And we know what the outcomes have been so far.

In either case, the seniority lists would end up being merged; it would potentially be a different procedure, however, if the pilot groups had different collective bargaining agents.

ATCsaidDoWhat

ALPA's "huge amount of resources" are there for the legacies first. They changed the rules at the 2006 BOD to ensure that no matter what; the legacies will ALWAYS control the shots and the bankroll.

With ALPA, all your dues go to the mothership and THEY decide how much you get. And when you have spent what they think is enough; it's "take the deal on the table and sell it; it's the best you will get." And if you refuse? Your money gets cut off.

IBT? Your dues stay with you. You decide how things go, not someone else.

We saw how ALPA's "resources" screwed us in the past when they told us we weren't "worthy." Now we generate a hell of a lot of dues revenue each month...and they want it.

Why should we give it to them? We did before and got screwed.

I had a 25 year ALPA pin when that happened and was in my 28th year as a member. rEAL pilots like me know what they have done to others in the past..."it's time to cut the burning lifeboats free."

No thanks.

ATCsaidDoWhat

There are no cards "due." What gave you that impression?