Atlas / Southern
#481
Not true. Eight, nine years ago Atlas was considered a great place to end up getting stuck at should Brown or Purple never give a call.
There was a time when Spirit was seen as nothing more than a stepping stone, and only if one was reeeeealy desperate. Now, it’s a viable and desirable career destination.
It’s tragic to watch this slow motion dumpster fire unfold the way it has been. Completely preventable, utterly pointless. Atlas pilots deserve better.
There was a time when Spirit was seen as nothing more than a stepping stone, and only if one was reeeeealy desperate. Now, it’s a viable and desirable career destination.
It’s tragic to watch this slow motion dumpster fire unfold the way it has been. Completely preventable, utterly pointless. Atlas pilots deserve better.
#482
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Not true. Eight, nine years ago Atlas was considered a great place to end up getting stuck at should Brown or Purple never give a call.
There was a time when Spirit was seen as nothing more than a stepping stone, and only if one was reeeeealy desperate. Now, it’s a viable and desirable career destination.
It’s tragic to watch this slow motion dumpster fire unfold the way it has been. Completely preventable, utterly pointless. Atlas pilots deserve better.
There was a time when Spirit was seen as nothing more than a stepping stone, and only if one was reeeeealy desperate. Now, it’s a viable and desirable career destination.
It’s tragic to watch this slow motion dumpster fire unfold the way it has been. Completely preventable, utterly pointless. Atlas pilots deserve better.
I blame the company and our burn it down union leadership equally. I see this going the way of Astar and Comair. Their work farmed out to other carriers less troubling, lower paid and management just moves on to the next job with stock options.
It's a delicate balancing act, especially at ACMIs. What is enough for the membership and being too much trouble/cost to deal with. The customers move the planes away as exampled before from those getting good contracts. Already started at Atlas as planes are being moved to other ACMI's or subcontracted. Those other carriers don't care where the planes come from just as Atlas didn't when Astar went down.
#483
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Yeah... You can make 400k at Atlas too... I'll never forget the Captain who bragged to me that he "Made more than a Delta Captain".... I ran into him at the end of the year and he bragged that he "Flew 999.6 hours for the year and was mad that he gave the company back the 0.4 hours."....
I know I've heard of Sim guys at Atlas who make over $500k and never leave the hotel in Miami... The trick is making $400k without killing yourself...
I know I've heard of Sim guys at Atlas who make over $500k and never leave the hotel in Miami... The trick is making $400k without killing yourself...
#484
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 110
Not true. Eight, nine years ago Atlas was considered a great place to end up getting stuck at should Brown or Purple never give a call.
There was a time when Spirit was seen as nothing more than a stepping stone, and only if one was reeeeealy desperate. Now, it’s a viable and desirable career destination.
It’s tragic to watch this slow motion dumpster fire unfold the way it has been. Completely preventable, utterly pointless. Atlas pilots deserve better.
There was a time when Spirit was seen as nothing more than a stepping stone, and only if one was reeeeealy desperate. Now, it’s a viable and desirable career destination.
It’s tragic to watch this slow motion dumpster fire unfold the way it has been. Completely preventable, utterly pointless. Atlas pilots deserve better.
That’s funny right there.
#486
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,398
Agreed.
I blame the company and our burn it down union leadership equally. I see this going the way of Astar and Comair. Their work farmed out to other carriers less troubling, lower paid and management just moves on to the next job with stock options.
It's a delicate balancing act, especially at ACMIs. What is enough for the membership and being too much trouble/cost to deal with. The customers move the planes away as exampled before from those getting good contracts. Already started at Atlas as planes are being moved to other ACMI's or subcontracted. Those other carriers don't care where the planes come from just as Atlas didn't when Astar went down.
I blame the company and our burn it down union leadership equally. I see this going the way of Astar and Comair. Their work farmed out to other carriers less troubling, lower paid and management just moves on to the next job with stock options.
It's a delicate balancing act, especially at ACMIs. What is enough for the membership and being too much trouble/cost to deal with. The customers move the planes away as exampled before from those getting good contracts. Already started at Atlas as planes are being moved to other ACMI's or subcontracted. Those other carriers don't care where the planes come from just as Atlas didn't when Astar went down.
The union cannot practically yield on scope. We'd betray our membership if we did so. If we yielded on pay, etc. people would keep leaving and people wouldn't come. We'd be unable to seize the opportunities before us even if we caved.
So blame us both, but management is holding the cards. Management carries the lion's share of the blame.
#487
Greed and apathy on the part of the owners and only the owners of Astar are the only reasons that we went out of business. We weren't the highest paid. We had a mediocre contract that had recently been signed. We were half owned by DHL and had a ten year contract with them to provide lift.
No. John Dasburg and his two silent partners wrung hundreds of millions of dollars out of our pilot group and the original DHL airline and then cast us into the mud pit of aviation history without a second thought.
Furthermore, blaming pilots for the demise of an airline is asinine and about as anti-American as it comes. Workers fighting for a better life is what built our industry into the profession that it is at our dominant carriers today.
#489
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 306
That's cute! You think we will survive 10 years with JD as CEO? We will be out of jobs within 3 years.
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