JonnyKnoxville

HAHAHA, I always love this mentality. All positive achievements are the result of management and all the negative outcomes the result of the union...am I close?

Please ignore the fact that:

the pilots are underpaid by 50%-60%
the retirement plan is not remotely competitive
what can be offered for schedules is not competitive
the insurance is not competitive
the vacation is not competitive
the rigs are not competitive
the management team chooses to fight to suppress their pilots rather than working with them
the management solution to every problem is to either blame their pilots, sue them, or both

I am sure these facts have no bearing on the company's ability to hire qualified applicants and the real reason nobody wants to come here is because we post about how bad it is on this public forum. [sarcasm]

Maybe if we all just keep really quiet and allow the recruiters to get away with their bold faced lies, we can get more qualified suckers in the door.

DC8DRIVER

Always an easy dig to blame the victims. A cheap shot that is also entirely untrue.

Yes, the Atlas pilots are on the losing end of things right now, but the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Atlas management.

121guy

That’s something we can agree on.

Cujo665

When you say not competitive.... not competitive with who else in the ACMI industry?

None of the ACMI’s are a United or Delta; heck they aren’t a Fedex/UPS either. So, kinda curious who it is these comparisons are with....

Globemaster2827

If that's how everyone wants to think about Atlas -including their own Union - as a job then 100% of the pilots should leave for the companies you mention. I left because as long as the company continues to say things like you just said then they'll be the favorites to prevent the Union from making the job that good.

robi523

Competitive with the market. Why fly for Atlas and be gone for 16-18 days a month with **** pay and benefits moving heavy iron around the world and jeapordizing your cert when you could go fly a king air with an 8/6 schedule for more money and better benefits??

JonnyKnoxville

I think you are confusing what we do for a living compared to what our managers do. You and I fly airplanes. Our managers choose to structure the business for ACMI. If you are suggesting ACMI is somehow inferior to scheduled passenger service or scheduled express cargo service then that is a result of bad decisions made 100% by management. As a result, if we have an inferior business model as you suggest due to their poor choices, then they can subsidize their bad decisions with their paychecks. They will not be subsidizing their poor management performance with the pilot's paychecks and if you feel differently, you can write them a personal check.

DC8DRIVER

I know you don't want to really fly for Atlas and just drop in every now and again to stir things up and hear your own voice, so this answer is directed at anyone else who may have an actual interest in Atlas yet be under the same delusion that you live under.

First, JK's post never mentioned being competitive with other ACMI carriers. In fact, the union has made a (now somewhat dated) contract comparison that pits Atlas against airlines of similar scope with similar equipment like ABX, American, Delta, FedEx, Hawaiian, Kalitta, United, and UPS. The company says we do not do what FedEx does, yet I fly a larger plane than FedEx has and have actually operated out of the FedEx hub using a FedEx call sign, so that argument is obviously limp.

And, just for the record, ACMI carriers like OMNI, Kalitta, and ABX all have better compensation than Atlas has. So when you ask "not competitive with who else in the ACMI industry?" you should do a little homework. It isn't hard to do and it will help you look like you know what you are talking about.

Contract Comparison | AtlasFacts.org

DC8DRIVER

Excellent point captain obvious.

The disagreement revolves around who is to blame. You seem to think it is the pilots and the union.

Stick around long enough and you may discover the truth.

Or not. Doesn't really matter. Everyone else has this part figured out, though, so you might want to reevaluate your position and catch up with the rest of the class.

CA Deplorable

The death of Michael Chowdry is to blame. Atlas is now run by suits that will squeeze all the lifes blood from it! With the founder tragically killed, there is no vested interest emotionally in its success or failure purely profit for the BOD and share holders....sad way to kill a mans dream and legacy.