Atlas / Southern
10-17-2019, 02:33 PM
#381
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Position: 777 Left window seat
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This has probably been asked a hundred times. But I’m really interested in atlas/southern. I’ll be coming up on atp mins in a few months. I work for a 135 operator in Alaska. I’ll have almost a 1000 hours right seat multi turbine time. My question is will atlas or southern be willing to pay for an ATP-CPT course? Or would I need to pay for it out of pocket and complete it first?
10-17-2019, 02:37 PM
#382
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There has been a concerted effort by the union to discourage well qualified applicants from coming to Atlas while actively encouraging attrition going back at least a few years. Now that the chickens have come home to roost everyone is pointing fingers and looking for a scapegoat. HR is doing the best they can with what they have to work with and so is the training department. Maybe it’s time to get off the path of mutually assured destruction on both sides and start righting this ship before it’s too late.
The truth is that the union was and is informing it's members that they should leave because it's pretty clearly in their best interest to do so. They're informing applicants that Atlas isn't a great place to be and unless your resume has everything but a Boeing Type it will harm your career.
I was a 747 CAPTAIN at Atlas. I'm making FAR more at Purple and I've been gone from home 1 night this month. 0 last month. 3 in August. 5 in July. 3 in June. It was 18 days a month at Atlas and I got about 20% of what I'm getting now for retirement. Maybe less.
Am I hurting Atlas by telling people that or is it union leadership's fault for telling me to tell people about that? Or is it just that Atlas is a miserable place to work where you make cents on the dollar of what you're worth and people should know that it's better to avoid it if you can and leave if you're able?
Sorry for the rant... I'm gonna go back to playing with my daughter on my day that I got paid for.
10-17-2019, 04:27 PM
#383
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
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Do you really think that pilots leave because union leadership tells them to? I get it that BK told them to in Feb of 2016 but if those pilots still on Atlas's list who could've gotten out were hired in August of 2016 they'd be wide body FOs at legacies or they'd be Captains. Same with FedEx and UPS. Sounds to me as if those who could've left and didn't made career mistakes. I love them all but that's on them.
The truth is that the union was and is informing it's members that they should leave because it's pretty clearly in their best interest to do so. They're informing applicants that Atlas isn't a great place to be and unless your resume has everything but a Boeing Type it will harm your career.
I was a 747 CAPTAIN at Atlas. I'm making FAR more at Purple and I've been gone from home 1 night this month. 0 last month. 3 in August. 5 in July. 3 in June. It was 18 days a month at Atlas and I got about 20% of what I'm getting now for retirement. Maybe less.
Am I hurting Atlas by telling people that or is it union leadership's fault for telling me to tell people about that? Or is it just that Atlas is a miserable place to work where you make cents on the dollar of what you're worth and people should know that it's better to avoid it if you can and leave if you're able?
Sorry for the rant... I'm gonna go back to playing with my daughter on my day that I got paid for.
The truth is that the union was and is informing it's members that they should leave because it's pretty clearly in their best interest to do so. They're informing applicants that Atlas isn't a great place to be and unless your resume has everything but a Boeing Type it will harm your career.
I was a 747 CAPTAIN at Atlas. I'm making FAR more at Purple and I've been gone from home 1 night this month. 0 last month. 3 in August. 5 in July. 3 in June. It was 18 days a month at Atlas and I got about 20% of what I'm getting now for retirement. Maybe less.
Am I hurting Atlas by telling people that or is it union leadership's fault for telling me to tell people about that? Or is it just that Atlas is a miserable place to work where you make cents on the dollar of what you're worth and people should know that it's better to avoid it if you can and leave if you're able?
Sorry for the rant... I'm gonna go back to playing with my daughter on my day that I got paid for.
10-17-2019, 04:50 PM
#384
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
Yup. I'll probably make $50k more than I made as a 747 Captain and I'll be home 25+ nights EVERY month. It's brutal living in base... Such torture... The wife and I have noticed "positive changes" as well.
Oh yeah... FedEx PAID to move me here and houses go for only $115 a square foot. New. In the suburbs where the public schools are good. Did I mention there's no state income tax? If in any way possible you should move in base where ever you work. Even these ACMI carriers. You make more money and you're home more.
If only I still had gateway so I could live in Flagstaff Arizona and spend 19 days a month away from home... With two full days in the center seat of a 737 changing planes in Phoenix and Seattle to get up to ANC and back.
Oh yeah... FedEx PAID to move me here and houses go for only $115 a square foot. New. In the suburbs where the public schools are good. Did I mention there's no state income tax? If in any way possible you should move in base where ever you work. Even these ACMI carriers. You make more money and you're home more.
If only I still had gateway so I could live in Flagstaff Arizona and spend 19 days a month away from home... With two full days in the center seat of a 737 changing planes in Phoenix and Seattle to get up to ANC and back.
10-17-2019, 04:54 PM
#385
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FYI... It's better commuting at the Legacies and Majors as well though... Ask the 777 guys at FedEx. Commuter policies make it easy to get to work on company metal and my crashpad was $250 a month. So actually commuting and getting a crashpad cost me less than Gateway cost me.
It's just better living in base and being home.
It's just better living in base and being home.
10-17-2019, 07:40 PM
#386
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: 747
Posts: 1,290
There has been a concerted effort by the union to discourage well qualified applicants from coming to Atlas while actively encouraging attrition going back at least a few years. Now that the chickens have come home to roost everyone is pointing fingers and looking for a scapegoat. HR is doing the best they can with what they have to work with and so is the training department. Maybe it’s time to get off the path of mutually assured destruction on both sides and start righting this ship before it’s too late.
For crying out loud, if you REALLY think the pilots have anything to do with the current poor pay and working conditions at Atlas, you are 99% of the way to becoming a true "company boy".
And, you are also very mistaken with your premise.
... sheeesh ...
10-17-2019, 08:52 PM
#387
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Posts: 92
It appears I touched a nerve. You can shout me down but anyone can see the pilots are the ultimate losers here. Management are not the ones stuck flying around the world with 3 DUI/multiple failed checkride/dysfunctional personality guy after you’ve scared everyone else off, many of whom will become Atlas lifers.
10-17-2019, 09:20 PM
#388
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
It appears I touched a nerve. You can shout me down but anyone can see the pilots are the ultimate losers here. Management are not the ones stuck flying around the world with 3 DUI/multiple failed checkride/dysfunctional personality guy after you’ve scared everyone else off, many of whom will become Atlas lifers.
10-18-2019, 05:06 AM
#389
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: B737 FO
Posts: 709
It appears I touched a nerve. You can shout me down but anyone can see the pilots are the ultimate losers here. Management are not the ones stuck flying around the world with 3 DUI/multiple failed checkride/dysfunctional personality guy after you’ve scared everyone else off, many of whom will become Atlas lifers.
Don't you think a lot of those good applicants can open an internet browser and find their way to the APC Atlas pay tables? Even if they never hear one word from the union or read one post on APC they're going to steer clear of Atlas. And if they do any research and find out about the lawsuits against the pilot group or any of the other public facts about Atlas I would guess the union could be saying nothing and most of the guys avoiding Atlas would be avoiding Atlas anyways.
IF there had been one or more lawsuits against the pilots and a recent accident with no apparent reaction from the company you'd better believe I would have skipped Atlas. And I wouldn't have needed the union to convince me.
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