Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville

I apologize for not directly addressing your question. Hopefully someone on the 737 will be able to do so shortly.

Aside from the schedule, do you know what you are potentially getting yourself into? There are a lot of details in our contract that put us so far behind other airlines. My contract at the regionals was significantly better than the contract here and that is not an exaggeration.

I work with a lot of new guys who seem stunned after being here about a year. They usually say something like they did not believe it was as bad as everyone was telling them, but it is actually worse. Then they start talking about what a bad career decision they made and how they need to start looking for a job again. Please do yourself a favor and come in with eyes wide-open.

We do not have things like pay protection.
We do not have a duty rig.
We only have a very low trip rig.
Our monthly guarantee is 62 hours (50 hours in year one)
Training pay is $1,600 a month for the first four months.
Our deadhead pay is only 35% of your hourly flight pay.
Your work month, no matter how senior you get is always 17 days plus any extensions they give you plus travel time to/from work.
Our long-term disability stops paying after 24 months (36 months if you pay for the extra insurance yourself)
Walmart employees have a better 401(k) than we do.
If you have any medical issues in your probationary first year, they will fire you.

Originally Posted by sandman22

So they sell off pieces of the company to other companies like... FedEx, UPS, Kalitta, Amazon?? And these companies will not want the pilots too in this pilot shortage era?

Originally Posted by Atrasaty

Well it's a case of who goes where and under what contract and who gets left stranded on the beach when the tide goes out. Bezos has every intention of being the "disrupter" in the cargo business. Translation is smash the unionized worker in this sector and obtain concessions forcing Fedex and UPS to follow suit for survival. DHL are a very willing accomplice too. O'Leary was very successful doing this in Europe to the passenger business with Ryanair and drug everyone down to his level. Standby for the Amazon Flying University pumping out its own product of indentured back pack wearing spikey haired millennials just like O'Leary did.

Originally Posted by sandman22

Maybe it's better to let them break it up and sell it off so that we can all just move on.

Originally Posted by sandman22

Maybe it's better to let them break it up and sell it off so that we can all just move on.

Originally Posted by maxjet

You do realize that “moving on” means to the bottom of another seniority list. If it is in the ACMI sector things are starting to slow. Pax? Different needs when it comes to Pilot hiring. If you are convinced of this happening you should move on now if you can as seniority is everything

Originally Posted by wjcandee

That seems like a lot if they're all said to be 767s and going to ATSG. I expect that ATI could bring 10 767s on board in a year, but given that they already have another 4 and possibly more new conversions coming for Amazon next year, that's a big bite to swallow. Perhaps with ABX's help, but still that seems dangerously-ambitious.

However, if they're talking about 5 737s going to a non-ATSG operator and 5 767s going to ATSG, that's more plausible. Still, that would be an extraordinary loss to Atlas. Almost sounds like AAWW is anticipating serious regulatory action against it after the NTSB report comes out. If so, surprising that they're not moving aggressively and proactively to take action based on lessons learned and anticipated findings. As a party to the investigation. they have to have some insight into what the factual conclusions are likely to be.

Originally Posted by Turbine1

The way things are headed I wouldn't be very surprised to see Atlas lose all their Amazon flying by the time the CVG hub opens Summer of 2021.

AAWH hasn't changed a damn thing since the accident. If you can fog a mirror, have 1000 hrs in your logbook and a restricted ATP you're in. They are handing out answers to the tech portion of the interview, accepting walk-ins and paying for candidates airfare and hotel to interview. We have "must pass "people on the line now who've had 100's of hrs of OE and multiple failures but Atlas is banking on corporate luck and the Captain to keep them out of the dirt. As long as they have a body to keep airplanes moving that's perfectly acceptable. I fear soon it will just be more bodies.

Originally Posted by Turbine1

The way things are headed I wouldn't be very surprised to see Atlas lose all their Amazon flying by the time the CVG hub opens Summer of 2021.

AAWH hasn't changed a damn thing since the accident. If you can fog a mirror, have 1000 hrs in your logbook and a restricted ATP you're in. They are handing out answers to the tech portion of the interview, accepting walk-ins and paying for candidates airfare and hotel to interview. We have "must pass "people on the line now who've had 100's of hrs of OE and multiple failures but Atlas is banking on corporate luck and the Captain to keep them out of the dirt. As long as they have a body to keep airplanes moving that's perfectly acceptable. I fear soon it will just be more bodies.