Atlas / Southern
03-01-2021, 12:11 PM
#2951
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: No Hats No Jackets No PAX
Posts: 1,561
74 stays on the move and don’t count on touching base on a frequent basis. As layovers this past year in China/Hong Kong, etc have stopped, ANC has been more frequently on the schedule. MIA folks tend to do better than most. 76 seems much more stable and if you live in base, why not. Being 74 ORD based has been good for flight opportunities home bound on the same final workday via gateway despite virus impacted pax flying so it can only get better as loads slowly increase. Outbound/Pattern start adds a day at least half the time. I will say there have been several 15 day lines showing up fairly recently which is nice. Before HSV closed 15 day lines were alive and well, even a 14 here and there if that was your goal.
I just did several crew of 2 legs that I haven’t seen before/or just got lucky not to do? ANC to ORD/rest, DH to CVG, CVG to ANC/rest, ANC to ORD/rest or just go home. Did Not Like Ground Hog Day flying one bit, to each their own. Everything has its up and downs.
I just did several crew of 2 legs that I haven’t seen before/or just got lucky not to do? ANC to ORD/rest, DH to CVG, CVG to ANC/rest, ANC to ORD/rest or just go home. Did Not Like Ground Hog Day flying one bit, to each their own. Everything has its up and downs.
03-01-2021, 01:49 PM
#2952
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Joined APC: May 2019
Position: CRJ-700 CA
Posts: 171
I see how my comment could have been misconstrued and I apologize for saying the pay was no big deal. The reason I said that was because I was aware that Atlas pays a lot less than industry average and I was trying to minimize the barrage of people I expected to tell me to go to another carrier because the pay was poor at Atlas compared to UPS or FedEx. So for that, I apologize, that was not intended as a dig at Atlas guys. One of the things that interests me most about Atlas is the international flying they do. That interests probably more than the pay. I thought Atlas might be an option to bypassing having to go the regional route which what’s why I asked what my chances might be. I know 5 years is a ways away but I’m optimistic things will return to normal by then.
03-01-2021, 01:59 PM
#2953
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
Good stuff, just an honest question to decipher the above. You went to pilot training fixed wing portion about 6 months then off to Ft Rucker for second half then off to qual. Were you flying for AFSOC (just a guess) and did you leave the AF as rotor only then hired by Atlas with no other fixed wing prior and no regional time? If so, then your telling us there’s a chance 
03-01-2021, 05:20 PM
#2954
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Posts: 384
You keep claiming that it's over-logging and yet you can't back it up. You clearly confused the language in 61.51 for PIC and SIC. The only language using the words "acting as" is related to PIC, not SIC as you so arrogantly claimed over and over again.
If Atlas Air could get away with only logging half of the FO's flight time on long haul flights they would do it, but they don't. They log it all. And they use the entire block time to determine how close a pilot is to exceeding the flight hour limitations in part 121. Maybe someday when you fly long haul (god help us) you can tell Atlas that you're good to go for that open time trip this month because even though you flew 100 hours already that month it's really only 50 or so because you were in the bunk, lol!
If Atlas Air could get away with only logging half of the FO's flight time on long haul flights they would do it, but they don't. They log it all. And they use the entire block time to determine how close a pilot is to exceeding the flight hour limitations in part 121. Maybe someday when you fly long haul (god help us) you can tell Atlas that you're good to go for that open time trip this month because even though you flew 100 hours already that month it's really only 50 or so because you were in the bunk, lol!
I think 61.51 spells it out pretty clearly with the words “..and occupies a crew station” .. the bunk is not a crew station (or sitting in the back on break) so when it comes to logging SIC time on a long haul augmented flight , you can only log SIC for the time you are sitting in a crew station. The rest of the time “aloft” still counts towards your 121 limits and needs to be tracked but doesn’t get logged as SIC in your logbook. Hell it doesn’t even count as Pilot time.
think about it; did the company use your bunk time or break time towards consolidation... NO! Did you get paid for it ... YES!(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft’s type certificate;
03-01-2021, 06:15 PM
#2955
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: No Hats No Jackets No PAX
Posts: 1,561
When I went through, I was a pilot for one of the 250 Blackhawk search and rescue helos that were replacing the Hueys. They needed so many pilots, the AF sent us all straight to Ft. Rucker. When I graduated, they changed the buy from 250 airframes to zero. After one helo tour, I went to Fixed-Wing Qual at Vance. It was about a 9 month class. My last assignment was KC-135R out of Robins (mostly flew out of KKI and Cairo West). I went to Trans States, furloughed before my first flight, then USA Jet, then DC-9 in Africa for 1.5 years, then Atlas.
03-01-2021, 07:49 PM
#2956
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,596
I think 61.51 spells it out pretty clearly with the words “..and occupies a crew station” .. the bunk is not a crew station (or sitting in the back on break) so when it comes to logging SIC time on a long haul augmented flight , you can only log SIC for the time you are sitting in a crew station. The rest of the time “aloft” still counts towards your 121 limits and needs to be tracked but doesn’t get logged as SIC in your logbook. Hell it doesn’t even count as Pilot time.
think about it; did the company use your bunk time or break time towards consolidation... NO! Did you get paid for it ... YES!(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft’s type certificate;
think about it; did the company use your bunk time or break time towards consolidation... NO! Did you get paid for it ... YES!(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft’s type certificate;
03-01-2021, 08:03 PM
#2957
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Fully Retired
Posts: 7,000
03-01-2021, 08:51 PM
#2958
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,596
03-02-2021, 07:24 AM
#2959
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Fully Retired
Posts: 7,000
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