Atlas / Southern
02-07-2021, 04:32 PM
#2841
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Position: King Air 350 Captain
Posts: 72
For the 767, the most you can possibly credit is about 82 hours. To get that much is exceptionally uncommon. Average line values are probably between 65-75 hours. Minimum guarantee for year 1 is 50 hours, after that it is 62. You should make sure that your budget can work on minimum guarantee because regardless of what you bid or are awarded, your credit can be reduced to minimum for a wide variety of reasons (and that is true of all fleet types).
Of course, this info is all based on our current CBA. What the next CBA will look like is anyone’s guess, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it looking drastically better than what’s above.
Best of luck with getting on here. In spite of all our many problems, I personally still really enjoy working here. We have a tremendous pilot group. As is true everywhere, life here is what you make of it. I choose to make it something enjoyable.
Of course, this info is all based on our current CBA. What the next CBA will look like is anyone’s guess, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it looking drastically better than what’s above.
Best of luck with getting on here. In spite of all our many problems, I personally still really enjoy working here. We have a tremendous pilot group. As is true everywhere, life here is what you make of it. I choose to make it something enjoyable.
02-07-2021, 04:42 PM
#2842
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: Captain
Posts: 130
OT is plentiful but if we lose in arbitration, the 2/4/6 OT premium pay will also be eliminated.
02-07-2021, 04:50 PM
#2843
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 666
Okay so I'm a little confused by this as I had understood that there is still a 17 day on/13 day off schedule structure (not counting your travel days being on off days because of gateway travel) but you guys have a 4.85 hour daily rig right? So if you work a 17 day line that is 82 hours of pay credit at a minimum. How do you work 17 days and get less than that or do you work fewer days and have more time off?
Also, keep in mind there are other things that will reduce your pay. A sick call, for instance, will reduce you down to minimum guarantee. So will a month where you take vacation. So will a month that includes a training event (unless you volunteer to come to training on your days off, in which case you are paid 3.65 hours per day of training).
02-07-2021, 06:29 PM
#2844
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Position: King Air 350 Captain
Posts: 72
Don’t plan on more than 62 hours credit. If the company prevails with the arbitrator, they will remove all pay rigs while you’re at your base, 4.85 hrs credit per day. Then probably crew planning will just make most if not all lines with 96 hours in base per month using a combination of base reserve, layovers in base and pre and post positioning to your line..all lines start and end at your base. 96 hours in base per bid period will cut you down to min guarantee. Any month with training, vacation, or you take sick time will also be at guarantee. We don’t have line guarantee. You may be awarded an 80 hr line but scheduling can and will change your line on a whim and you have no recourse. You’ll lose thousands of $$ probably before you even start your pattern.
OT is plentiful but if we lose in arbitration, the 2/4/6 OT premium pay will also be eliminated.
OT is plentiful but if we lose in arbitration, the 2/4/6 OT premium pay will also be eliminated.
I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. I had thought that you guys would be getting a pay bump or line credit guarantee and home basing at the very least out of your new contract. That's pretty much what everyone else has. How can you be forced into concessions during a time of record-breaking high profits? Those are some big red flags.
I digress, I'm not gonna get into that subject on here.
02-07-2021, 06:42 PM
#2845
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 475
Ooooof. ><
I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. I had thought that you guys would be getting a pay bump or line credit guarantee and home basing at the very least out of your new contract. That's pretty much what everyone else has. How can you be forced into concessions during a time of record-breaking high profits? Those are some big red flags.
I digress, I'm not gonna get into that subject on here.
I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. I had thought that you guys would be getting a pay bump or line credit guarantee and home basing at the very least out of your new contract. That's pretty much what everyone else has. How can you be forced into concessions during a time of record-breaking high profits? Those are some big red flags.
I digress, I'm not gonna get into that subject on here.
02-07-2021, 10:51 PM
#2846
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: B767 - Captain
Posts: 138
Atlas / Southern
Ooooof. ><
I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. I had thought that you guys would be getting a pay bump or line credit guarantee and home basing at the very least out of your new contract. That's pretty much what everyone else has. How can you be forced into concessions during a time of record-breaking high profits? Those are some big red flags.
I digress, I'm not gonna get into that subject on here.
I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. I had thought that you guys would be getting a pay bump or line credit guarantee and home basing at the very least out of your new contract. That's pretty much what everyone else has. How can you be forced into concessions during a time of record-breaking high profits? Those are some big red flags.
I digress, I'm not gonna get into that subject on here.
At this point I’m sure you’ve done your research. Good luck on the process ahead of you. If this is the job you want, we’ll be glad to have you.
Cheers,
-blink
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02-08-2021, 04:18 PM
#2847
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2013
Position: No Hats No Jackets No PAX
Posts: 1,561
Concur with Blink - Welcome aboard to all those wanting, willing, wishing, waiting to get on board!
Definitely not a place for everyone and it’s what you make of it. 285 pages later, there is no excuse in not having a well informed picture of the operation here. No one has the answer regarding the contract - so come here and enjoy the attributes, suck up the known quantities and have a good time with our pilot group as we move forward and make the best of it. Hopefully 2021 is not only a better year for the world, but a successful one for us as well. Drive on fellow FreightDawgs!
Definitely not a place for everyone and it’s what you make of it. 285 pages later, there is no excuse in not having a well informed picture of the operation here. No one has the answer regarding the contract - so come here and enjoy the attributes, suck up the known quantities and have a good time with our pilot group as we move forward and make the best of it. Hopefully 2021 is not only a better year for the world, but a successful one for us as well. Drive on fellow FreightDawgs!
02-10-2021, 05:56 PM
#2849
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
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17 days is the max you can be scheduled to work. I have had many work schedules with less than 17 days. The length of your pattern varies from 1-17 days. Depending on your airframe and base, you may have lots of 1-2 day trips, or you might have very few. I have had very few 2 days trips. I have had lots of 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16 day trips. Most of my trips are 6-16 days. R1 at home pays $0. Some people like this, some don't.
Also, if you get 767 CVG base, and live there, you can be home, basically every day, if you have the seniority to bid reserve.
Okay so I'm a little confused by this as I had understood that there is still a 17 day on/13 day off schedule structure (not counting your travel days being on off days because of gateway travel) but you guys have a 4.85 hour daily rig right? So if you work a 17 day line that is 82 hours of pay credit at a minimum. How do you work 17 days and get less than that or do you work fewer days and have more time off?
Also, if you get 767 CVG base, and live there, you can be home, basically every day, if you have the seniority to bid reserve.
02-10-2021, 06:04 PM
#2850
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
I normally flew into JFK...LGA sometimes if no JFK flight available. The short-stay hotel is near JFK...the long-stay one is Garden City. If you are senior enough, and live close to JFK, there are a number of out and back trips, so you can be home between trips. Also, a lot of trips start out of McGuire or Dover. Usually that is a limo to Philly, or Dover. If you airline in/out it is PHL. When I was there a LOT of patterns didn't start/end in JFK (same for ORD now). Typically, if you start/end outside your base, then you will airline the first/last day of work, vs on a day off.
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