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Old 09-12-2020, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AboveMins
I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, arbitrators haven't had a great track record with scope in the past. Hopefully we're wrong, but time will tell.
Admittedly, I’m pretty naive to pilot contracts when going through the arbitration process. How do arbitrators determine what’s appropriate for improvements or concessions? I’m assuming they’re using ‘industry standard’ (however they come to that conclusion) in the equation. By that standard, Atlas pilots should be spooled up for improvements to pay rates at a minimum, but I could see how scope could be difficult. When it comes to compensation/benefits and work rules, do they look at the industry as a whole, other cargo or charter operators, fleet type, etc.?
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Old 09-12-2020, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Voski
Admittedly, I’m pretty naive to pilot contracts when going through the arbitration process. How do arbitrators determine what’s appropriate for improvements or concessions? I’m assuming they’re using ‘industry standard’ (however they come to that conclusion) in the equation. By that standard, Atlas pilots should be spooled up for improvements to pay rates at a minimum, but I could see how scope could be difficult. When it comes to compensation/benefits and work rules, do they look at the industry as a whole, other cargo or charter operators, fleet type, etc.?
I believe, in the past, they just cut and paste the scope section with no changes. I could be wrong. If I am, someone please correct me.
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Old 09-12-2020, 11:05 AM
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This is so perfect you almost wonder if management coordinated it across the industry. Something like: "We'll make being a regional pilot so sh*tty that Atlas will seem like a good deal. They'll have completely forgotten how good airline pilots used to have it."

Truly impressive.
Management isn't that smart, you're giving them too much credit.
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Old 09-12-2020, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by APCbot
This is so perfect you almost wonder if management coordinated it across the industry. Something like: "We'll make being a regional pilot so sh*tty that Atlas will seem like a good deal. They'll have completely forgotten how good airline pilots used to have it."

Truly impressive.
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Old 09-12-2020, 01:34 PM
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Criminal as in the pilot involved was the victim of a criminal act with children around.
Tht would make them the victim unless there's more to the story than you're telling.
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Old 09-12-2020, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Voski
Admittedly, I’m pretty naive to pilot contracts when going through the arbitration process. How do arbitrators determine what’s appropriate for improvements or concessions? I’m assuming they’re using ‘industry standard’ (however they come to that conclusion) in the equation. By that standard, Atlas pilots should be spooled up for improvements to pay rates at a minimum, but I could see how scope could be difficult. When it comes to compensation/benefits and work rules, do they look at the industry as a whole, other cargo or charter operators, fleet type, etc.?
Scope is absolutely the hardest section to write ironclad language for. Especially when new language is needed or bargained for with a merger, code-share or separate entity under the same holding company. Any labor attorney will unequivocally tell you this. Southwest has the simplest, and by far, the best in the entire industry. Short and sweet with zero ambiguity.
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Old 09-12-2020, 03:13 PM
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What are 1st year FOs averaging as far as hours/month? Trying to figure out what 1st year pay would look like, thanks.
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Old 09-12-2020, 04:14 PM
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What are 1st year FOs averaging as far as hours/month? Trying to figure out what 1st year pay would look like, thanks.

Plan on making guarantee for a good while. Even after you get some seniority it’s wise to budget for guarantee until we have line protection.


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Old 09-12-2020, 06:27 PM
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What are 1st year FOs averaging as far as hours/month? Trying to figure out what 1st year pay would look like, thanks.
62 x your rate. Plan on it. Not senior enough for OT yet.
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Old 09-12-2020, 06:30 PM
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62 x your rate. Plan on it. Not senior enough for OT yet.

True. 50 hour guarantee for first year though.


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