Scar09

As a guy that’s about to interview with Atlas, quick question with regards to the cba.

what are the pilots trying to get? Is it trying to get the same pay as FedEx UPS? Or more of pay guarantee, higher ALV, higher monthly guarantee? 401k DC? Better work rules, only using 121 rest rules? True home basing?

if you can’t answer these I understand. Just trying to see what’s going on vs what a recruiter can say.

Elevation

We haven't seen what has been proposed as NDAs have been signed. There are a lot of rumors, but nothing I'd take to the bank. That said, if recruiters offer any specifics, those specifics are most likely unreliable.

Good luck on the interview!

fly14

I’ve been following this thread closely for some time, and I’ve got to say I think you’ve gone to the “80’s are back boys and girls” well a little much. Time to find some new material.

WhiteRabbit99

As somebody who is interested to join Atlas, I like to ask our insiders in this forum about their opinion concerning the latest developments in the airline industry. Since there are market distorting forces in play now, in particular heavy subsidies to major carriers in the US and globally, there could be unintended side effects to cargo carriers like Atlas.

So, it seems that the majors and almost everyone else is transforming a lot of pax airplanes into temporary freighters. This works as long as it's subsidized and only certain (light) load in smaller containers/packages can be shipped in the cabin. Anyway, it seems obvious that this shift to such cargo operations will further expand in the next few years. Since the majors have part of their losses “subsidized” through the government now, such freighter flights can be marginal profitable even if their costs are higher than Atlas’.

Question: So, how do you think this will play out? Are there some low hanging fruits (light loads etc.) for those pax converted operators where some of Atlas’ operation might feel a strategic impact?

Highly appreciated : )

efc4life

This will have no effect. The airlines would almost always carry some belly cargo on the multiple flights per day they previously flew. Now simply carrying that same amount of cargo in one leg on an empty pax plane.

v1vrrotatev2

I watched a global air freight industry trade group meeting a few weeks back. I was trying to learn more about the industry I am joining. Was shocked to learn that prior to COVID 50% of all global air cargo was carried in the underbelly of pax planes. It was discussed that COVID has had a huge impact on this since fewer pax planes are flying. They also discussed that COVID would be a multi year impact even if a vaccine was approved today. Just the shear timeline to have a meaningful impact on the world. This means there will be routine disruptions to pax routs. The trade group believes this is a huge growth opportunity for the cargo industry.

They also discussed the cost to convert a pax aircraft to cargo only. Why they thought a few might be possible the cost and time to accomplish would not provide a payout to the pax airlines.


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Twin Wasp

As pointed out, the details of the TA'ed sections of the contract have not been released outside of the negotiating teams. But realistically just about every section needs improvement. Compensation, gateway travel, travel expenses, vacation, deadheading, training, hours of service, sick leave, scheduling, insurance and retirement all need significant improvements to get up to industry standards.

1bdun

Greetings

Are your 737s flying DHL or Amazon?

Is it more day or night flying?

What would be a typical day for a 737 driver?

Thanks in advance

boeingdvr

we are trying to get the best out there. MGMY is trying to give us the worst out there.

Plan on the middle.

Elevation

Passenger belly freight is more of factor than aitplanes with removed seats. Bulk-loading an airliner by hand is expensive and time consuming. This works only when freight rates are super high, like they are now. So airplanes without cargo doors (think a380 without seats) aren't much of an economic threat. Airplanes with belly freight only have a higher specific cost per freight ton kilometer than dedicated freighters, too.

So really the big competition is from airlines that use freight and passengers to keep costs down on both. Bottom line healthy airlines are more of a threat than what we see today.

To your question aboutong term trends, nobody knows the future. Belly freight is nothing new and has been an factor for a number of years. Regulatory changes, the election, how the world deals with the virus, geopolitical tensions, etc. are all factors.

I'm a pilot by trade and a dork by choice. Someone more informed may offer better insight.