BluePAX

Yea not to derail this any further, but when I was looking into this job I went back years on this thread to get a feeling for the place.

It really benefits you to know all the details you may have not known to ask or search. This way you won't be like so many of the angry and depressed guys I used to fly with.

Or don't do that, it's a free country.

Elevation

I don't think its out of line to ask casual questions on an internet message board. One way the people answering get annoyed, true. The other way people are less inclined to reach out and ask their questions..

I'd rather have people ask questions. That's just me, though.

C17B74

Would like to reiterate the upgrade requirements. Seniority Based, mins applicable but the emphasis should be on executing worldwide operations. None find themselves in more austere locations/situations on a normal basis for us than us. This is not a cookie Cutter plug and play pilot situation. Assistance is minimal and many times you are just figuring it out along the way. They key is to bid everything you've never seen before while an FO and learn as much as possible. While you still will have last min changes flying "normal" lines, there is a highly probability you will head towards something you've never seen. We find ourselves crossing the Atlantic, then Pacific and even down under plus S. America and there were Africa times. Contracts come and go. Overall, my kind of gig but it's not for everyone.

nitefr8dog

Really?.....that is NOT the mellienum way!

ChopNDrop

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...?sref=QmRwu8WC

mainly posting this to get the train back on the rails.. but considering this article, what is Atlas/Southern’s future with Amazon from the perspective of those on the line

nitefr8dog

Competing with all the other current ACMI carriers that currently fly Amazon freight....and those yet to come. And a continuation of the current Amazon/DHL style business whipsawing..

WhiteMorpheus

I don't think any of the other ACMIs have spare operating certificates laying around like AAWW does. Could management cash out by selling the Polar or Southern certificate to AMZN?

CardboardCutout

Huh? ATSG has three, and if they didn't invent the whipsaw, they at least perfected it.

C17B74

Southern maybe??? Really don’t know. Polar doubtful, as I believe while independent of the Atlas certificate but operating in a combined manner as approved by the FAA as a one off I believe, wherever one goes so does the other being tied together. A combined seniority list, Atlas and former Polar pilots (Always Polar whatever they prefer it’s all good) flying on either certificate and the Polar routes are worth quite a bit. Will the Southern be merged into the fold in the same way, independent but combined per another FAA special issuance if you will. Sorry for throwing mud in the water, maybe “Elevation” can clear the air better on the Atlas/Polar tie in.

AMZN is getting the best deal. Having it’s own cheaper trans system without any herding cats/law suit responsibility, plenty of oversight and power to steer their train.

wjcandee

Decent article reporting on two moronic, uninformed studies. That one author is a professor anywhere, and that the other influences how people invest their money, is truly a shame.