Advice to American applicants...
12-15-2016, 09:26 AM
#181
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Advice to American applicants...
It's baffling to me why some people just can't admit the shortcomings at AA. The first step to getting an industry leading contract is educating everyone where we are behind and by how far. If people just keep seeing things through rose-colored glasses Parker, Glass, and co. are going to steamroll us, again, in 2020.
12-15-2016, 09:43 AM
#182
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Sadly, certain people here WILL defend the company and the crappy contract no matter what. Jumpseating on LAA I get a somewhat similar attitude ("Wasn't invented here blablabla").
*pending inflation adjustments for 2020.
12-15-2016, 12:35 PM
#183
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I must be losing my mind. If you are a reserve, that is your job duty. Your sole job is to plug holes. Why do you deserve additional pay for just doing that job? If you are on call for six days, and they give you a 3-day trip that turns into a 4-day, why in the world do you guys think a reserve should get EXTRA pay for that?!?
I would much, MUCH rather put money into our contract where it actually matters vs. arcane thoughts like the above.
I would much, MUCH rather put money into our contract where it actually matters vs. arcane thoughts like the above.
Also, we should be credited at least the original sequence time. Reserves are not protected in that sense.
12-15-2016, 02:11 PM
#184
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In other news DL pilots got a retro check for 18% of their year to date earnings today. Has APA ever negotiated full retro to the amendable date? lol I'm sure I know what the answer to that is. What a clown show.
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12-15-2016, 02:44 PM
#185
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APA has never been able to negotiate contracts that are worth a damn. We will see in 2020
12-15-2016, 05:20 PM
#186
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There are good schedules out there but the narrowbody bid pack is terrible.
Captain I just flew with is 66% for his seat/base and has 6 all nighters.
Says he's going back to 77 FO.
12-15-2016, 06:57 PM
#187
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I'm a bottom line holder. Worst schedules I've ever seen. 16 years At EAgle and I had some bad schedules there but I was never this tired.
There are good schedules out there but the narrowbody bid pack is terrible.
Captain I just flew with is 66% for his seat/base and has 6 all nighters.
Says he's going back to 77 FO.
There are good schedules out there but the narrowbody bid pack is terrible.
Captain I just flew with is 66% for his seat/base and has 6 all nighters.
Says he's going back to 77 FO.
12-16-2016, 07:02 AM
#188
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And yet DL's contract has provisions for when the company voluntarily flies you into your days off -
"Reroute premium pay penalty – 100% for additional duty periods extending into days off
for reasons within Company control."
APA doesn't allow extensions beyond the normal limit(yes, that's until noon on your first day off unless it's a Golden Day when it starts at 000) for reasons within the company's control. Plane breaks? They DHD you out if that's an option. In that case the company can't force you to stay.
UA has airport standby. At a major airline? In 2016? Who does that? I didn't do that at my commuter jobs.
The contract SME guys, ignoring pay, said they'd take DL's contract over ours. But they'd take ours ahead of UA's.
DL has no SC bidding. Guys get assigned it, even senior guys against their will. Who doesn't have voluntary SC in today's contracts?
So each contract has sections that are baffling. UA didn't fix their standby system in the latest contract update.
12-16-2016, 09:33 AM
#189
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And yet DL's contract has provisions for when the company voluntarily flies you into your days off -
"Reroute premium pay penalty – 100% for additional duty periods extending into days off
for reasons within Company control."
APA doesn't allow extensions beyond the normal limit(yes, that's until noon on your first day off unless it's a Golden Day when it starts at 000) for reasons within the company's control. Plane breaks? They DHD you out if that's an option. In that case the company can't force you to stay.
UA has airport standby. At a major airline? In 2016? Who does that? I didn't do that at my commuter jobs.
The contract SME guys, ignoring pay, said they'd take DL's contract over ours. But they'd take ours ahead of UA's.
DL has no SC bidding. Guys get assigned it, even senior guys against their will. Who doesn't have voluntary SC in today's contracts?
So each contract has sections that are baffling. UA didn't fix their standby system in the latest contract update.
"Reroute premium pay penalty – 100% for additional duty periods extending into days off
for reasons within Company control."
APA doesn't allow extensions beyond the normal limit(yes, that's until noon on your first day off unless it's a Golden Day when it starts at 000) for reasons within the company's control. Plane breaks? They DHD you out if that's an option. In that case the company can't force you to stay.
UA has airport standby. At a major airline? In 2016? Who does that? I didn't do that at my commuter jobs.
The contract SME guys, ignoring pay, said they'd take DL's contract over ours. But they'd take ours ahead of UA's.
DL has no SC bidding. Guys get assigned it, even senior guys against their will. Who doesn't have voluntary SC in today's contracts?
So each contract has sections that are baffling. UA didn't fix their standby system in the latest contract update.
12-16-2016, 11:56 AM
#190
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And yet DL's contract has provisions for when the company voluntarily flies you into your days off -
"Reroute premium pay penalty – 100% for additional duty periods extending into days off
for reasons within Company control."
APA doesn't allow extensions beyond the normal limit(yes, that's until noon on your first day off unless it's a Golden Day when it starts at 000) for reasons within the company's control. Plane breaks? They DHD you out if that's an option. In that case the company can't force you to stay.
UA has airport standby. At a major airline? In 2016? Who does that? I didn't do that at my commuter jobs.
The contract SME guys, ignoring pay, said they'd take DL's contract over ours. But they'd take ours ahead of UA's.
DL has no SC bidding. Guys get assigned it, even senior guys against their will. Who doesn't have voluntary SC in today's contracts?
So each contract has sections that are baffling. UA didn't fix their standby system in the latest contract update.
"Reroute premium pay penalty – 100% for additional duty periods extending into days off
for reasons within Company control."
APA doesn't allow extensions beyond the normal limit(yes, that's until noon on your first day off unless it's a Golden Day when it starts at 000) for reasons within the company's control. Plane breaks? They DHD you out if that's an option. In that case the company can't force you to stay.
UA has airport standby. At a major airline? In 2016? Who does that? I didn't do that at my commuter jobs.
The contract SME guys, ignoring pay, said they'd take DL's contract over ours. But they'd take ours ahead of UA's.
DL has no SC bidding. Guys get assigned it, even senior guys against their will. Who doesn't have voluntary SC in today's contracts?
So each contract has sections that are baffling. UA didn't fix their standby system in the latest contract update.
After you've had three short calls they have to assign someone else until all reserves avail have had three short calls.
New contract says one hour of credit if shortcall assigned but your not used. Unfortunately that's towards reserve guarantee unless you break guarantee. So still not much incentive but a step in right direction.
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