Advice to American applicants...
12-14-2016, 09:28 PM
#171
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
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AA gets reassignment pay if the reassignment extends beyond the original footprint of the trip. If you're used into a day off the time of is given back to you. The pay is 150% for the time outside of the original footprint.
APA contract comparison states that DL apparently has the same language (150%) but only if it touches a day off. Reassignment that exceeds the original footprint, but not a day off, might not qualify(hard to tell without the exact language).
Per APA's contract comparison, if DL assigns you additional duty periods extending into your days off for situations within the company's control you get 200% pay. They don't get an additional day off, they just replace the day off they lost. AA delays the return to duty time, which is different than a whole day adjustment.
APA's contract comparison makes no mention of reassignment pay for UA. I don't know if they can't reassign or if there's just no pay bump.
APA contract comparison states that DL apparently has the same language (150%) but only if it touches a day off. Reassignment that exceeds the original footprint, but not a day off, might not qualify(hard to tell without the exact language).
Per APA's contract comparison, if DL assigns you additional duty periods extending into your days off for situations within the company's control you get 200% pay. They don't get an additional day off, they just replace the day off they lost. AA delays the return to duty time, which is different than a whole day adjustment.
APA's contract comparison makes no mention of reassignment pay for UA. I don't know if they can't reassign or if there's just no pay bump.
12-15-2016, 05:54 AM
#172
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: 737 CA MIA
Posts: 1,042
AA gets reassignment pay if the reassignment extends beyond the original footprint of the trip. If you're used into a day off the time of is given back to you. The pay is 150% for the time outside of the original footprint.
APA contract comparison states that DL apparently has the same language (150%) but only if it touches a day off. Reassignment that exceeds the original footprint, but not a day off, might not qualify(hard to tell without the exact language).
Per APA's contract comparison, if DL assigns you additional duty periods extending into your days off for situations within the company's control you get 200% pay. They don't get an additional day off, they just replace the day off they lost. AA delays the return to duty time, which is different than a whole day adjustment.
APA's contract comparison makes no mention of reassignment pay for UA. I don't know if they can't reassign or if there's just no pay bump.
APA contract comparison states that DL apparently has the same language (150%) but only if it touches a day off. Reassignment that exceeds the original footprint, but not a day off, might not qualify(hard to tell without the exact language).
Per APA's contract comparison, if DL assigns you additional duty periods extending into your days off for situations within the company's control you get 200% pay. They don't get an additional day off, they just replace the day off they lost. AA delays the return to duty time, which is different than a whole day adjustment.
APA's contract comparison makes no mention of reassignment pay for UA. I don't know if they can't reassign or if there's just no pay bump.
AA RESERVES DO NOT GET SIT TIME CREDIT INTO GTD LIKE LINE HOLDERS DO.
I've done numerous reassignments on reserve at the end of 3 day trips. Line holders added turn gets 150% Reserve gets nothing.
AA reserve does not get 30 off in Base.
I bid short call reserve. At least every other month my moveable's are in moved or flown into.
Disclaimer: I do not know if UA or DL reserves get premium for RA.
12-15-2016, 06:30 AM
#173
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 2,316
AA LINE HOLDERS GET REASSIGNMENT PAY ONLY. NOT RESERVES.
AA RESERVES DO NOT GET SIT TIME CREDIT INTO GTD LIKE LINE HOLDERS DO.
I've done numerous reassignments on reserve at the end of 3 day trips. Line holders added turn gets 150% Reserve gets nothing.
AA reserve does not get 30 off in Base.
I bid short call reserve. At least every other month my moveable's are in moved or flown into.
Disclaimer: I do not know if UA or DL reserves get premium for RA.
AA RESERVES DO NOT GET SIT TIME CREDIT INTO GTD LIKE LINE HOLDERS DO.
I've done numerous reassignments on reserve at the end of 3 day trips. Line holders added turn gets 150% Reserve gets nothing.
AA reserve does not get 30 off in Base.
I bid short call reserve. At least every other month my moveable's are in moved or flown into.
Disclaimer: I do not know if UA or DL reserves get premium for RA.
12-15-2016, 07:27 AM
#174
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Position: 6th place
Posts: 1,826
AA LINE HOLDERS GET REASSIGNMENT PAY ONLY. NOT RESERVES.
AA RESERVES DO NOT GET SIT TIME CREDIT INTO GTD LIKE LINE HOLDERS DO.
I've done numerous reassignments on reserve at the end of 3 day trips. Line holders added turn gets 150% Reserve gets nothing.
AA reserve does not get 30 off in Base.
I bid short call reserve. At least every other month my moveable's are in moved or flown into.
Disclaimer: I do not know if UA or DL reserves get premium for RA.
AA RESERVES DO NOT GET SIT TIME CREDIT INTO GTD LIKE LINE HOLDERS DO.
I've done numerous reassignments on reserve at the end of 3 day trips. Line holders added turn gets 150% Reserve gets nothing.
AA reserve does not get 30 off in Base.
I bid short call reserve. At least every other month my moveable's are in moved or flown into.
Disclaimer: I do not know if UA or DL reserves get premium for RA.
Thanks for the actual info. Need someone to counter all the BS slice throws around.
12-15-2016, 07:47 AM
#175
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,527
JetBlue contract comparison says DL reserves only get premium if they're reassigned into their X days 'for situations within the company's control'.
Based on that wording it seems like DL can reassign you to work into your days off. For that you get PM. It appears, based on that statement, that reserves might not qualify for reassignment premium pay.
Based on that wording it seems like DL can reassign you to work into your days off. For that you get PM. It appears, based on that statement, that reserves might not qualify for reassignment premium pay.
12-15-2016, 08:08 AM
#176
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,527
"If you're used into a day off the time of is given back to you. The pay is 150% for the time outside of the original footprint."
It's not B.S. I just spoke with the contract administrators. If you're reassigned(not rescheduled) past noon on your day off you get PM for the flying done that day.
You then get 48 hrs(or 72, or 96) from the end of your new debrief time.
7576Fo was correct about line holders vs reserves and my post was poorly worded. Line holders get pay, reserves get GTD credit for reassignments.
But reserves reassigned into their days off, past noon, get PM for the flying done that day. That appears to be the same setup DL has.
Good luck understanding that from reading Section 15.I, 15.J, 15.N, and 15.Q.
It's not B.S. I just spoke with the contract administrators. If you're reassigned(not rescheduled) past noon on your day off you get PM for the flying done that day.
You then get 48 hrs(or 72, or 96) from the end of your new debrief time.
7576Fo was correct about line holders vs reserves and my post was poorly worded. Line holders get pay, reserves get GTD credit for reassignments.
But reserves reassigned into their days off, past noon, get PM for the flying done that day. That appears to be the same setup DL has.
Good luck understanding that from reading Section 15.I, 15.J, 15.N, and 15.Q.
12-15-2016, 08:09 AM
#177
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 2,316
JetBlue contract comparison says DL reserves only get premium if they're reassigned into their X days 'for situations within the company's control'.
Based on that wording it seems like DL can reassign you to work into your days off. For that you get PM. It appears, based on that statement, that reserves might not qualify for reassignment premium pay.
Based on that wording it seems like DL can reassign you to work into your days off. For that you get PM. It appears, based on that statement, that reserves might not qualify for reassignment premium pay.
12-15-2016, 08:45 AM
#178
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,527
Okay, it's a bad section of our contract. Show a contract that pays reserves premium for reassignments? Is that common? That's why I say being a reserve is a 'volunteer', there's no reassignment pay, overfly pay. But they're covered by guarantee until their GTD exceeds guarantee, at which point they are paid for previous overflies. Which used to result in a pay cut at times since the pay was based on the 767-300. Break guarantee and you got paid actually block hours, so every 757 or 767-200 flight reduced your pay.
12-15-2016, 09:06 AM
#179
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,272
I must be losing my mind. If you are a reserve, that is your job duty. Your sole job is to plug holes. Why do you deserve additional pay for just doing that job? If you are on call for six days, and they give you a 3-day trip that turns into a 4-day, why in the world do you guys think a reserve should get EXTRA pay for that?!?
I would much, MUCH rather put money into our contract where it actually matters vs. arcane thoughts like the above.
I would much, MUCH rather put money into our contract where it actually matters vs. arcane thoughts like the above.
12-15-2016, 09:15 AM
#180
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Position: 6th place
Posts: 1,826
I must be losing my mind. If you are a reserve, that is your job duty. Your sole job is to plug holes. Why do you deserve additional pay for just doing that job? If you are on call for six days, and they give you a 3-day trip that turns into a 4-day, why in the world do you guys think a reserve should get EXTRA pay for that?!?
I would much, MUCH rather put money into our contract where it actually matters vs. arcane thoughts like the above.
I would much, MUCH rather put money into our contract where it actually matters vs. arcane thoughts like the above.
I agree if you're on reserve 6 days and get assigned a 3 day that turns into a 4 then yea, no premium. But if you're reassigned into a day off then you 100% need to be getting premium. Use me however you want while I'm on duty but don't move my off days around. This is the world'a largest airline, not Mesa, although it feels like it sometimes.
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