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Old 07-22-2016, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by esadof
us airways pilots hired after the lus/awa merger, there are almost as many of them as west fo's
But prior to the date of constructive notice (12/3/13) right?
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Upsddown
But prior to the date of constructive notice (12/3/13) right?
correct........
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:07 PM
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Yeah but that moves west pilots up beyond their status/Los, see the problem?
And that would be the credit you get for the nic but what do I know.
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Upsddown
I think Vendetta (if I can speak for him) and I are confused on what your referring to as third listers. I'm speaking of all pilots hired after the date of constructive notice 12/13 at LUS and LAA. They all go junior to all West pilots.

I think your referring to the third listers from the AWA/LUS merger. That's not what we are referring to. (Vendetta?).
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I was referring to third listers hired after the us/awa merger is that what you were referring to?
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Upsddown
But prior to the date of constructive notice (12/3/13) right?
and btw, these are pilots the east committee placed in front of 2004 awa hires
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by esadof
They can't do that without reordering existing lists. How are 2004 west furloughs senior to 3 listers who have greater Los and fly bigger equipment ? See this makes no sense
It may be my lack of understanding of what your asking but I don't see the problem. If a 2005 AWA pilot was furloughed his LOS is adjusted and he will be placed based on his newly adjusted LOS and status/category ranking amongst the "third listers" from the East pilots and similar LOS/Status-Category of LAA pilots. It doesn't require a reordering of the West list.

So yes. 2005 West pilots will be placed amongst "third listers". But based on what we are being told, earlier hired LAA pilots will be too. It all depends on their LOS and Status Category ranking. That's what Vendetta is referring to. Furlough time has a big impact. So by default, those never furloughed but junior to someone who had been furloughed will be impacted as well.
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendetta
And that would be the credit you get for the nic but what do I know.
well that would move the west pilots up significantly vs status/Los. You guys are both sayin this is a pure 3 list status/los if that is the case 3rd listers have to be in front of large numbers of west Fo's
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Originally Posted by Vendetta
Upsddown,
I was referring to third listers hired after the us/awa merger is that what you were referring to?
Yes, but prior to 12/3/13. Pilots hired after 12/3/13 are pilots hired after the date of constructive notice.
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Upsddown
It may be my lack of understanding of what your asking but I don't see the problem. If a 2005 AWA pilot was furloughed his LOS is adjusted and he will be placed based on his newly adjusted LOS and status/category ranking amongst the "third listers" from the East pilots and similar LOS/Status-Category of LAA pilots. It doesn't require a reordering of the West list.

So yes. 2005 West pilots will be placed amongst "third listers". But based on what we are being told, earlier hired LAA pilots will be too. It all depends on their LOS and Status Category ranking. That's what Vendetta is referring to. Furlough time has a big impact. So by default, those never furloughed but junior to someone who had been furloughed will be impacted as well.
Vendetta said the 3rd listers are behind all west pilots, you see the disconnect? You would also make the third listers assigned west junior to their classmates assigned east
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by esadof
well that would move the west pilots up significantly vs status/Los. You guys are both sayin this is a pure 3 list status/los if that is the case 3rd listers have to be in front of large numbers of west Fo's
The heavy los is what favors the east but the group with the most los also means the group with the most upcoming retirements. It's amazing how much the list looks like ua/co after all those months of eaglefly telling us we aren't equals. Hmmm
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