SO - Where's the SLI?
07-22-2016, 04:11 PM
#942
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07-22-2016, 05:45 PM
#945
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I've stayed away from posting absolute specifics about the decision because even though I believe what I was told I can't can't guarantee what the final product will look like. The arbs are free to do anything they determine right up until the "final" decision is rendered.
I agree with Vendetta that the comment period is usually used to make minor corrections and adjustments based on erroneous placement of pilots on their previous native list or misspellings, etc. But this has shown to be a very dynamic and somewhat unorthodox arbitration.
Put together what Vendetta is willing to post and you'll get the flavor of where you stand if what he and I have been told are true. His postings are very specific.
You are a 98 hire at AWA with no furlough time so your LOS matches up with those nearly a decade earlier at LUS and the 98-00 period at LAA. Your Status/Category is reflective of those periods as well.
I think it's safe to assume you will be able to continue to hold Group II CA in the system and depending on what is done with PHX you may continue to hold 757 CA in PHX until changes are made to "right size" PHX and the 757 flying to the islands. Especially given the quality of the trips.
But as I said I've seen crazier things happen in this industry so as previously mentioned until we're given copies of the decision it's all hearsay and rumors for now.
07-22-2016, 05:46 PM
#946
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No I have not "seen the list". For the reasons stated before. The committee's are very protective not to let the list out for obvious reasons. But individuals are willing to "talk" about "details". If you'll note many APA reps from all three groups are saying they haven't "seen the list" but are not saying they don't know the details. It's a play on words.
The details I received were a couple a weeks ago. Have not seen anyone confirm them publicly until Vendettas arrival on this forum.
My details came from a very reliable source (first hand source). I did not get a copy of the award or the specific list but with the information I received was able to easily duplicate a "similar" list with enough detail to get an idea of how the list looks. Vendetta's source is more current and providing additional detail I didn't discuss or ask about.
The details I received were a couple a weeks ago. Have not seen anyone confirm them publicly until Vendettas arrival on this forum.
My details came from a very reliable source (first hand source). I did not get a copy of the award or the specific list but with the information I received was able to easily duplicate a "similar" list with enough detail to get an idea of how the list looks. Vendetta's source is more current and providing additional detail I didn't discuss or ask about.
07-22-2016, 05:52 PM
#947
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I've stayed away from posting absolute specifics about the decision because even though I believe what I was told I can't can't guarantee what the final product will look like. The arbs are free to do anything they determine right up until the "final" decision is rendered.
I agree with Vendetta that the comment period is usually used to make minor corrections and adjustments based on erroneous placement of pilots on their previous native list or misspellings, etc. But this has shown to be a very dynamic and somewhat unorthodox arbitration.
Put together what Vendetta is willing to post and you'll get the flavor of where you stand if what he and I have been told are true. His postings are very specific.
You are a 98 hire at AWA with no furlough time so your LOS matches up with those nearly a decade earlier at LUS and the 98-00 period at LAA. Your Status/Category is reflective of those periods as well.
I think it's safe to assume you will be able to continue to hold Group II CA in the system and depending on what is done with PHX you may continue to hold 757 CA in PHX until changes are made to "right size" PHX and the 757 flying to the islands. Especially given the quality of the trips.
But as I said I've seen crazier things happen in this industry so as previously mentioned until we're given copies of the decision it's all hearsay and rumors for now.
I agree with Vendetta that the comment period is usually used to make minor corrections and adjustments based on erroneous placement of pilots on their previous native list or misspellings, etc. But this has shown to be a very dynamic and somewhat unorthodox arbitration.
Put together what Vendetta is willing to post and you'll get the flavor of where you stand if what he and I have been told are true. His postings are very specific.
You are a 98 hire at AWA with no furlough time so your LOS matches up with those nearly a decade earlier at LUS and the 98-00 period at LAA. Your Status/Category is reflective of those periods as well.
I think it's safe to assume you will be able to continue to hold Group II CA in the system and depending on what is done with PHX you may continue to hold 757 CA in PHX until changes are made to "right size" PHX and the 757 flying to the islands. Especially given the quality of the trips.
But as I said I've seen crazier things happen in this industry so as previously mentioned until we're given copies of the decision it's all hearsay and rumors for now.
07-22-2016, 05:53 PM
#948
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I've stayed away from posting absolute specifics about the decision because even though I believe what I was told I can't can't guarantee what the final product will look like. The arbs are free to do anything they determine right up until the "final" decision is rendered.
I agree with Vendetta that the comment period is usually used to make minor corrections and adjustments based on erroneous placement of pilots on their previous native list or misspellings, etc. But this has shown to be a very dynamic and somewhat unorthodox arbitration.
Put together what Vendetta is willing to post and you'll get the flavor of where you stand if what he and I have been told are true. His postings are very specific.
You are a 98 hire at AWA with no furlough time so your LOS matches up with those nearly a decade earlier at LUS and the 98-00 period at LAA. Your Status/Category is reflective of those periods as well.
I think it's safe to assume you will be able to continue to hold Group II CA in the system and depending on what is done with PHX you may continue to hold 757 CA in PHX until changes are made to "right size" PHX and the 757 flying to the islands. Especially given the quality of the trips.
But as I said I've seen crazier things happen in this industry so as previously mentioned until we're given copies of the decision it's all hearsay and rumors for now.
I agree with Vendetta that the comment period is usually used to make minor corrections and adjustments based on erroneous placement of pilots on their previous native list or misspellings, etc. But this has shown to be a very dynamic and somewhat unorthodox arbitration.
Put together what Vendetta is willing to post and you'll get the flavor of where you stand if what he and I have been told are true. His postings are very specific.
You are a 98 hire at AWA with no furlough time so your LOS matches up with those nearly a decade earlier at LUS and the 98-00 period at LAA. Your Status/Category is reflective of those periods as well.
I think it's safe to assume you will be able to continue to hold Group II CA in the system and depending on what is done with PHX you may continue to hold 757 CA in PHX until changes are made to "right size" PHX and the 757 flying to the islands. Especially given the quality of the trips.
But as I said I've seen crazier things happen in this industry so as previously mentioned until we're given copies of the decision it's all hearsay and rumors for now.
07-22-2016, 05:54 PM
#949
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Well that really doesn't help me much. I understand these are assumptions but I can't get a picture without knowing what you guys are assuming, yours and vendettas assumptions don't jive. If it's a pure status/longevity list how are the third listers behind every west pilot? If that were the case some form of the Nic. was included.
07-22-2016, 06:06 PM
#950
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So....like.....you mean guys that were FURLOUGHED in 2005 when AWA "merged" with AAA? When that "merger" occurred, America West was HIRING, UPGRADING and GROWING. AAA....not so much. In FACT, AAA had MORE pilots furloughed than were on property on AWA. Just an observation......
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