SO - Where's the SLI?
07-21-2016, 07:58 PM
#861
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Think I understand his statement being if the LAA committee proposed putting 30+ year East pilots in the 7000-8000 range and they end up in the 3000 range the LAA pilots will think the East pilots got a windfall.
Don't believe that to be true. Go talk to LAA guys. They really never had a beef with the East pilots and their proposal. Sure they prefer their proposal over the East proposal but given the age demographics of the East group they don't see the basic East proposal as career ending. What concerned them the most was the damage the NIC list could do to their careers.
Eaglefly is correct. LAA didn't want the NIC. They only proposed it the second time around in response to their belief of what Silver's ruling would require. They made a strategic mistake that will cost them "some" in the end.
But even with that said, go look at what the LAA group really wanted and what the East wanted. LAA's superiority argument was dead the moment they designed it. So the only true difference was the weighting of status/category and LOS. Besides that, the East and LAA were fighting for the same basic constructive list.
If the East was a younger group the LAA pilots would be furious. However, given their age and that pilots hired at LAA will have East pilots hired before them placed after them I think you will be surprised at the level of fury from the LAA group.
The one caveat the more junior you are at LAA the more the impact will be felt.
Don't believe that to be true. Go talk to LAA guys. They really never had a beef with the East pilots and their proposal. Sure they prefer their proposal over the East proposal but given the age demographics of the East group they don't see the basic East proposal as career ending. What concerned them the most was the damage the NIC list could do to their careers.
Eaglefly is correct. LAA didn't want the NIC. They only proposed it the second time around in response to their belief of what Silver's ruling would require. They made a strategic mistake that will cost them "some" in the end.
But even with that said, go look at what the LAA group really wanted and what the East wanted. LAA's superiority argument was dead the moment they designed it. So the only true difference was the weighting of status/category and LOS. Besides that, the East and LAA were fighting for the same basic constructive list.
If the East was a younger group the LAA pilots would be furious. However, given their age and that pilots hired at LAA will have East pilots hired before them placed after them I think you will be surprised at the level of fury from the LAA group.
The one caveat the more junior you are at LAA the more the impact will be felt.
07-21-2016, 08:00 PM
#862
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Think I understand his statement being if the LAA committee proposed putting 30+ year East pilots in the 7000-8000 range and they end up in the 3000 range the LAA pilots will think the East pilots got a windfall.
Don't believe that to be true. Go talk to LAA guys. They really never had a beef with the East pilots and their proposal. Sure they prefer their proposal over the East proposal but given the age demographics of the East group they don't see the basic East proposal as career ending. What concerned them the most was the damage the NIC list could do to their careers.
Eaglefly is correct. LAA didn't want the NIC. They only proposed it the second time around in response to their belief of what Silver's ruling would require. They made a strategic mistake that will cost them "some" in the end.
But even with that said, go look at what the LAA group really wanted and what the East wanted. LAA's superiority argument was dead the moment they designed it. So the only true difference was the weighting of status/category and LOS. Besides that, the East and LAA were fighting for the same basic constructive list.
If the East was a younger group the LAA pilots would be furious. However, given their age and that pilots hired at LAA will have East pilots hired before them placed after them I think you will be surprised at the level of fury from the LAA group.
The one caveat the more junior you are at LAA the more the impact will be felt.
Don't believe that to be true. Go talk to LAA guys. They really never had a beef with the East pilots and their proposal. Sure they prefer their proposal over the East proposal but given the age demographics of the East group they don't see the basic East proposal as career ending. What concerned them the most was the damage the NIC list could do to their careers.
Eaglefly is correct. LAA didn't want the NIC. They only proposed it the second time around in response to their belief of what Silver's ruling would require. They made a strategic mistake that will cost them "some" in the end.
But even with that said, go look at what the LAA group really wanted and what the East wanted. LAA's superiority argument was dead the moment they designed it. So the only true difference was the weighting of status/category and LOS. Besides that, the East and LAA were fighting for the same basic constructive list.
If the East was a younger group the LAA pilots would be furious. However, given their age and that pilots hired at LAA will have East pilots hired before them placed after them I think you will be surprised at the level of fury from the LAA group.
The one caveat the more junior you are at LAA the more the impact will be felt.
07-21-2016, 08:13 PM
#863
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Date of hire sprinkled with nice conditions and restrictions (joking)...Tbh I haven't heard much about the west just that Ferguson walked out. Could have been to celebrate or prepare a lawsuit.
07-21-2016, 08:49 PM
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What dafuk......I am confused. The 30 or so "third listers" hired in 2014 by LUS and based in PHX don't count. Or are you saying since LUS hired them and not LAWA they should not be considered west hired pilots....or are you saying that since they were hired/assigned PHX after the POR they don't count as west hires
07-21-2016, 08:56 PM
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The more I read this thread, the more It becomes clear that it is self-serving for fake self-fulling prophesy/beliefs....meaning none of you have a clue what the fuk you are pontificating as a fact. Again, pilots being pilots......b!tchng so called knowledge without facts.
Carry on all you keyboard warriors; as "real men of genius" plays on
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07-21-2016, 09:07 PM
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What dafuk......I am confused. The 30 or so "third listers" hired in 2014 by LUS and based in PHX don't count. Or are you saying since LUS hired them and not LAWA they should not be considered west hired pilots....or are you saying that since they were hired/assigned PHX after the POR they don't count as west hires
07-21-2016, 09:12 PM
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07-21-2016, 09:38 PM
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