SO - Where's the SLI?
07-21-2016, 07:31 AM
#761
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I think Eagle flow-throughs should get credit for all their time working at AMR (their Eagle time too).... Not
All the arguments about what we think or support are over (aside from the limited and confidential comments). I now support our contracts that comply with MB and the terms that impliment the list.
All the arguments about what we think or support are over (aside from the limited and confidential comments). I now support our contracts that comply with MB and the terms that impliment the list.
It's ironic that the ONLY committee to yes, make an end run around that was the East committee claiming that Mid-Atlantic pilots were really LUS pilots based on the concept of an Operating certificate and thus even though flying for a regional that was not accessable as a valid LUS bid status for all LUS pilots were building "sweat equity" at LUS while flying for a regional carrier affiliate. Of course, those at Eagle were not.
It's all subjective interpretation where each side attempts to define what appropriate boundaries are that not coincidentally just happen to benefit THEIR interests. Please get off the Eagle flow bashing choo-choo considering the hypocritical position the East committee too with their own pilots flying for a regional and the concept of mainline longevity. It doesn't float IMO.
07-21-2016, 07:37 AM
#762
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A guy I used to know as a kid used to be a student of mine,while in Dallas I ran into him and he asked me how the merger would go. I told him similar to ua/co. He got all flustered and visibly upset and mumbled I guess it must... He is forgetting twa and aircal are a thing of the past they no longer have any control
07-21-2016, 07:40 AM
#763
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LAA flows for example occupy various positions on the bottom half of the LAA list from Group II captain, Group IV F/O and on down. They are mixed in with Letter T pilots and former TWA. We're talking perhaps 4500 pilots. Where any individual flow, neighboring Letter T or former TWA gets placed will not be linear. It could be small or moderate groups in some locations or individually at others in a stovepipe methodology.
07-21-2016, 07:46 AM
#764
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Arbitrators aren't going to "punish" pilots for past actions of their union leaderships. That is defendable in an award explanation, at least IMO. If they were going to do that, don't you thing they'd jam the Nicolau straight up your outflow valve ? It's funny how you put out this vibe of how the arbs are going to ream LAA pilots, especially those junior and innocent who got boned themselves with long furloughs and no pay LOS, etc. based on TWA or Reno and yet, you, the East, arguably guilty of the most egregious conduct in the history of organized labor are now slated to be the apple of the arbitrators eye's in this SLI.
07-21-2016, 07:49 AM
#765
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You don't support a 10 year crj pilot as that is his length of service? How dare you put him below an 89 hire. I agree completely time on property is it, alpa agreements are void(see nic) after seeing the expectations on here I now know why aapsic and west have immediate lawsuits already filed waiting for the release day. This is gonna be tied up in court a long time and the company will exploit it. You are naive to believe any different .
IMHO, any petition for an emergency injunction would be a long shot if the court is asked to intervene and bar the company from proceeding according to the terms of the contract.
Perhaps DUI secretly wants to ignore the integration and keep the three lists seperate. He can if he wants to, but unlike the last SLI attempt he won't be contractually barred from proceeding at his pleasure.
07-21-2016, 07:52 AM
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There is no contractual deadline for the company to use the list, but the company is free to use the list at their pleasure. If we take them at their word (which is not in any way always reliable) they are planning for an October system bid to be effective in February.
IMHO, any petition for an emergency injunction would be a long shot if the court is asked to intervene and bar the company from proceeding according to the terms of the contract.
Perhaps DUI secretly wants to ignore the integration and keep the three lists seperate. He can if he wants to, but unlike the last SLI attempt he won't be contractually barred from proceeding at his pleasure.
IMHO, any petition for an emergency injunction would be a long shot if the court is asked to intervene and bar the company from proceeding according to the terms of the contract.
Perhaps DUI secretly wants to ignore the integration and keep the three lists seperate. He can if he wants to, but unlike the last SLI attempt he won't be contractually barred from proceeding at his pleasure.
07-21-2016, 07:59 AM
#767
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Look you can write slick long posts which u have been doing for years. I just think you will be surprised at the results especially if you think it's gonna be close to aapsic proposal. Ask your self why is your team starting a lawsuit?? Do u think they are suing because it was amazing for you guys? It's common knowledge legacy aa and west are suing ASAP. Without the knowledge I have, just the tea leaves with just those 2 things tell me no nic for the west=lawsuit #1, legacy aa got no where close to there proposal=lawsuit #2. This is the first leaked info people knew since the beginning of July...
Slick, long posts ? Hey, I just express myself more thoroughly then many. Some dislike that and prefer grunts, quips and nutsack scratching. I find a lot of annoying things about others too. That's life and par for the course in any forum participation.
07-21-2016, 08:02 AM
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Impressive.
07-21-2016, 08:02 AM
#769
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I didn't say "close" to the initial AAPSIC proposal, I think it will be the closest of all the submitted ones. That doesn't imply any degree of specificity. I've not heard of any lawsuits, but hey, you could be right in what you say. Even if so, I will not collapse over it. APA is already being sued over flow-thru issues and TWA is suing APA too, so what's a few more lawsuits. IF..........and that's IF any implementation delay occurs, it certainly won't buckle my knees.
Slick, long posts ? Hey, I just express myself more thoroughly then many. Some dislike that and prefer grunts, quips and nutsack scratching. I find a lot of annoying things about others too. That's life and par for the course in any forum participation.
Slick, long posts ? Hey, I just express myself more thoroughly then many. Some dislike that and prefer grunts, quips and nutsack scratching. I find a lot of annoying things about others too. That's life and par for the course in any forum participation.
07-21-2016, 08:04 AM
#770
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You'll waste your time with the screen shots at least in my case. It wont impress me, even if correct, but knock yourself out if you wish.
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