SO - Where's the SLI?
07-21-2016, 06:53 AM
#752
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I think what you will see with the major objection from LAA will be the lack of influence their "superior" argument carried and as a result the disproportionate impact to the bottom of their list.
07-21-2016, 06:59 AM
#753
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Well let's see regarding the present claims;
East vs. West : The primary and really ONLY litmus is the Nicolau award. No Nic, means East clobbers West. Not only that, the reference was West has no access to "East metal". That's the entire fleet, both from sharing in advancement of retirements to narrow body upgrades, through wide body access to include even domicile access absent another mechanism like displacements. I'd call that a clean sweep in that direction (No Nic PLUS no access to ANYTHING on the East).
That was Airmail/Vendatta's claim.
East vs. LAA : S & C benefits LUS greatly over LAA along with another claim East has higher percentage of widebodies vs. LAA, along with the claim that the East are essentially the arbitrators fair-haired boys of favor due to rapid retirements. That benefits the East Nicolau pilots over LAA. "Heavy" LOS weighting decimates junior LAA at the expense of East 3rd listers and even West F/O's. This is all essentially the exact blueprint argument of the East committee in both directions leaving...........well, exactly what do the West and LAA have left to get ?
Oh yeah, they get to keep their jobs.
You to make some great points, but this isn't one of them IMO. Considering the attitude of the arbs toward the East during the West committee inclusion hearings and logic, I'm not buying these claims. Sure, anything is possible in arbitration, but I think this is just tiddlywinks/psyops as should the East end up getting handed their hats, it will be too late to poke anyone in the eye due to sour grapes as this time there is no "end run" play for them to make around the award.
East vs. West : The primary and really ONLY litmus is the Nicolau award. No Nic, means East clobbers West. Not only that, the reference was West has no access to "East metal". That's the entire fleet, both from sharing in advancement of retirements to narrow body upgrades, through wide body access to include even domicile access absent another mechanism like displacements. I'd call that a clean sweep in that direction (No Nic PLUS no access to ANYTHING on the East).
That was Airmail/Vendatta's claim.
East vs. LAA : S & C benefits LUS greatly over LAA along with another claim East has higher percentage of widebodies vs. LAA, along with the claim that the East are essentially the arbitrators fair-haired boys of favor due to rapid retirements. That benefits the East Nicolau pilots over LAA. "Heavy" LOS weighting decimates junior LAA at the expense of East 3rd listers and even West F/O's. This is all essentially the exact blueprint argument of the East committee in both directions leaving...........well, exactly what do the West and LAA have left to get ?
Oh yeah, they get to keep their jobs.
You to make some great points, but this isn't one of them IMO. Considering the attitude of the arbs toward the East during the West committee inclusion hearings and logic, I'm not buying these claims. Sure, anything is possible in arbitration, but I think this is just tiddlywinks/psyops as should the East end up getting handed their hats, it will be too late to poke anyone in the eye due to sour grapes as this time there is no "end run" play for them to make around the award.
07-21-2016, 07:05 AM
#754
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All the arguments about what we think or support are over (aside from the limited and confidential comments). I now support our contracts that comply with MB and the terms that impliment the list.
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07-21-2016, 07:10 AM
#755
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A guy I used to know as a kid used to be a student of mine,while in Dallas I ran into him and he asked me how the merger would go. I told him similar to ua/co. He got all flustered and visibly upset and mumbled I guess it must... He is forgetting twa and aircal are a thing of the past they no longer have any control
07-21-2016, 07:15 AM
#756
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I think Eagle flow-throughs should get credit for all their time working at AMR (their Eagle time too).... Not
All the arguments about what we think or support are over (aside from the limited and confidential comments). I now support our contracts that comply with MB and the terms that impliment the list.
All the arguments about what we think or support are over (aside from the limited and confidential comments). I now support our contracts that comply with MB and the terms that impliment the list.
07-21-2016, 07:21 AM
#757
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I respect your opinion but you are going to be sorely dissapointed if you really believe that. The original proposal. Places group 4 fo's and west fo's 13,500+ on the list.. I can actually assure you your not close but you will have to wait till August to see what I saw . I get it every group wants there proposal used but even u can't endorse putting west pilots at 14,000 with 11+ years of service with flow throughs superior or not lets be real.
I have no illusions.
07-21-2016, 07:22 AM
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07-21-2016, 07:25 AM
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I think you are being to literal in your analysis. But I think you did highlight why the LAA group is so upset. Their junior pilots will take the brunt of the LOS weighting while the top of their list will be mildly impacted only until the older senior LUS pilots soon retire in front of them.
07-21-2016, 07:29 AM
#760
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I admit I don't know much about the bottom but I will simplify I don't believe any east fo or west fo should go below a 3rd lister or flow through on any part
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