SO - Where's the SLI?
07-20-2016, 05:28 PM
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07-20-2016, 05:31 PM
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See, I can have fun too.
Like Trump said, any press is good press !
07-20-2016, 05:39 PM
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Understood. Of course, once a more senior flow upgrades (to a protected status) they are senior to the "protected" TWA as Supp C protections are status only. If it's not a protected status they upgrade to, then their seniority rules. Many flows actually see that as not so bad as depending on the status they end up bidding down the road, they hold a better schedule and may avoid reserve entirely depending on how long they wait. But be that as it may, since the list can't be reordered, in the long run once those protections expire, it's seniority that carries the day.
as your original question asked.
TWA pilots will continue with their protections until the named pilots upgrade to 767 and DC-9 (Airbus) CA then it's straight seniority.
07-20-2016, 05:51 PM
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Perhaps it's my fault for the misunderstanding. I fully understand Supp C issues and there's no question of any recording of pre-merger seniority lists.
07-20-2016, 06:02 PM
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Pleasure to meet you.
07-20-2016, 06:07 PM
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As a guy that is in the top 500 with 7 years to go and a 30 minute drive to my base I really hope we keep it seperate for another 5 years. I know that doesn't fit your narrative of us wanting to steal your shiny BIG plAAnes. Why is it so hard for u to accept I bring a group 4 job and keep a group 4 job? You bring a crj job and are very LUCKY to have a job. Sound familiar ??
Good for you. I think most that don't have a fight in the NIC battle want nothing else than everyone to just keep the career's they had. Once the NIC is introduced into the debate it changes that argument completely.
Most East guys I talk with want nothing more than to continue to fly their metal out of their bases and enjoy the significant retirements they have over the next five to ten years. Yes, some would like to change bases to be closer to home but that's not the top three protections with the majority. From the LAA guys I've spoken to it appears the same. For the majority they don't want anything more than what they had before the merger.
Since there will be no Group 2 fences pilots will be free to move amongst group 2 bases so pilots who want to move will be able to.
Because of the NIC award it has created expectations from the West pilots of what the merger should or should not look like. From those without a prior fight in the NIC battle and trying to take a non-biased view of how this merger looked (I know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder) this merger consisted of three pilot groups referenced by the MOU stating there were three lists, MB specifically stating it didn't apply to prior mergers and the West advocating for their own committee during the SLI. With these caveats and positions amongst the parties one could see how the arbs wouldn't use the NIC.
If (since) the Arbs elected not to use the NIC, and if the arbs used the UAL/CAL integration as the model how would it look with three lists?
As you describe.
I'm with you. This has gone on long enough. Everyone keeps talking that there is not a timeline and that the arbs will not be pressured by any time constraints. I do not believe that is true. There is and has always been one time constraint - October 1. That's is the day management needs Single FOS. In order to plan for single FOS on October 1 they need to start producing the aircraft routings, crew allocations, etc., so I am sure that management has made the arbs keenly aware they need a list by early to mid August in order to make single FOS happen on October 1. That is the only reason we will get a list soon, because the arbs don't care about the pilots' timelines but they do care about management's.
Its been long enough, time for the leaks to become facts.
07-20-2016, 06:13 PM
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Wiskey....man, I hate to keep pointing out where you are deluding your self and misleading others, but those A350 orders are easily traceable to the original A330 orders and options....they were converted from that initial order. So, no-go on claiming those, and certainly you aren't going to tell us that it was the HUGE revenue generated in PHX that created the need for those aircraft are you? (Yeah, you probably are )
Anyway, the panel was made aware of this, so we shall see soon how they decided to share that equity. Who knows, maybe they give them all to you guys (?), you know, just to be nice.
All the best (as long as it's F&E)
Saul
)Anyway, the panel was made aware of this, so we shall see soon how they decided to share that equity. Who knows, maybe they give them all to you guys (?), you know, just to be nice.
All the best (as long as it's F&E)
Saul
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