Rabid Seagull

I think we just found Mrs. Trump's speechwriter. You should wait at least a week before you take a great quote from another thread.

Wiskey Driver

You do realize that you are now comparing apples to oranges right? Arbitration to interpret contractual language is much different than arbitration to settle an SLI issue. There is no contractual interpretation dispute there. The dispute is about where people should be placed based upon a defined group of circumstances. I have already indicated how DOH would not work between the two which is why it was not used and not used in the current SLI. Satisfaction lies within those who wish to be satisfied, some will and some will not. It will never effect me the way it will effect you.

WD

R57 relay

That would require prior knowledge of the outcome and we know nobody has that. WD said so.

R57 relay

I bet keeping the SLI confidential keeps Mr. Kirby up at night. Probably right up there with the stock price.

R57 relay

Yep, you broke the code! All of this was about screwing west pilots. Well done Sherlock.

Route66

Then unionism is finished, because DOH/LOS is the ONLY way to measure the value of an employee. Historically, (over the past 75 years) merger policy between pilot groups has NOT been a very effective instrument in determining our respective value for many reasons which I have NO interest in delving into here (mainly because we have too much animus between us and web boards simply interfere too much with interpersonal relations) but suffice to say our unity now will be much what it will be in 2020....TOAST.

How will affect me? I can't tell you until the END of my career suffice to say that Im certainly MORE happy the current arbitrators are trying to save their own face and their own futures by realizing that all Pilot lives (like black lives) have SOME value with THEIR longevity.

Have a blessed day!!!

Route66

Oh, and NO: it is NOT an "apples to oranges" comparison. Arbitration is arbitration, seniority IS incorporated within the contract which is the reason FOR it. Labor unions didn't want the Company to hire strike breakers and promote THEM over employees that have been working for said Company for longer. So they incorporated into their contracts. Thats why. But you Westies just want to rewrite history to favor your skewed interpretation of whats YOU think is "fair".

Look, your liberal, I'm conservative. Its just that simple.

Wiskey Driver

I would be quick to agree if there were two like groups merging into one. The dynamic was such that the two sides were so very lopsided that DOH only benefited the east to an extreme degree. It is for that reason that DOH was not used. To do so would be to essentially staple 90% of one carrier whereby destroying career expectations of that same 90%.
Unity at American I will agree with you it's done. There is too much damage done to too many people all of whom now will pull in different directions. Glad I will miss it all.

I have no idea what the panel has done but clearly you do and there are many here that would pay to know what you have been told to be gospel regarding the confidential results. I say tell it all now and this will force the hand of those that are keeping it confidential to come out with a hotline that much sooner. Based on what you've said so far is that the only group to prevail in this has been LUS east. I have to assume that LUS west and AA have all been stapled behind the east and 3rd list guys and gals. That will certainly produce an undesired action that will put everyone back in a courtroom. Pandora's box had a lid on it for a reason and it read do not open.

WD

Sliceback

"which I have NO interest in delving into here"

That's also code words for - "my opinion, which I can't prove, is ..."

Wiskey Driver

You keep missing the very fabric of the argument. Yes seniority is contained within a contract but you had two different pilot groups with two different contracts working under two different sets of rules. The thought of what I deem fair or what you deemed to be fair is given up the moment the arbitrator is called in to settle the dispute. It is out of each others hands be it liberal or conservative. I must reiterate here that you really should post what you know about this award. The groups will have no choice but to comment quickly once its out.

WD