Originally Posted by R57 relay

As far as the rumor mill goes-in the last two days I have heard things from two of the loudest and most often incorrect east prognosticators. I'll believe it when I see the list.

Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO

An eastie, MK started some rumors of an east win but in general he is full of feces so I would give that rumor no credit.

Originally Posted by esadof

Don't forget, that pos and bradford cost you $600 Mil.

Originally Posted by esadof

I only support suing if there were improprieties happening during the comment period. Something like the company interjecting on a parties behalf etc.

Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO

An eastie, MK started some rumors of an east win but in general he is full of feces so I would give that rumor no credit.

Originally Posted by Upsddown

Go unearth a 2005 bid sheet from AA. For that matter from pre-BK in 2012. Of course your current bid sheet looks like a regional bid sheet from 11 years ago. Your company just went through BK and your working under a BK contract. But prior to BK an AA bid sheet had on average two less days a month on its bid line. BK took care of that.

Go look at a DAL, UAL, SWA, JBLU, Spirit, etc. bid sheet. They all look the same. With the exception of their better minimum days at DAL, UAL and SWA our work rules are "generally" the same and the number of days worked are very similar.

However, the MAJOR difference between AA and a regional with QWL is no regional has a 9 day bid sheet that pays 90 hours or 12 day bid sheets that pay 85 plus. Yes, the domestic side looks very similar to regional bids sheets. Why? Because unfortunately for those who prefer QWL over money those who prefer money out voted them. Pilots generally only look at money and not how much they will be working until it's to late and their locked into their contract. Why do you think Parker thew all that money at us trying to court us? Because he knew pilots are no different than those in the oldest profession on earth - they like the smell of money and will look past everything else until it's to late.

There are many large wide body CA's making nearly $400,000. Even reserve LWB CA's are making $300,000 to $400,000. Narrow-body CA's that want to hump it are making over $300,000 plus their 16% pension contribution. Even in your horrible state you are making nearly 50% more in hourly pay than you made at the regional you worked at for over 20 years and 100% more in pension contributions. How many Eagle CA's out of 1,200 of them made what you made last year working the same hours you did?

Are we less in "total compensation" than DAL and UAL. Yes. But why? Because we are working under a BK contract. Each of them has had two cycles since BK. But to be fair our hourly rates (not total compensation) is currently higher than DAL's. Did anyone ever think that would be the case coming out of BK?

As for trying to determine whether you are being tongue-and-cheek or serious you make my point perfectly. No I can't tell. It's hard to tell when your being sarcastic or when your having one of your "down moments of doom and gloom".

If it is so bad at AA and we aren't any better than a regional why is the flow through rate from Eagle nearly 100%? Why aren't you calling everyone you know at Eagle's and telling them to stay that it's worse at American that it's not worth coming here? Why? Because you and they know it's not true.

If you had to make the choice again on whether to stay at Eagle or come to American you would make the same choice. Why? Because if you never did anything other than be a narrow-body FO, you would make more money, have a better pension and your quality of life would be at worse very similar to what it would be at Eagle other than you wouldn't be the one to decide who is flying the first leg.

Point is, get off the AA pilots are the same as being a regional pilot because they are not. They are working under a BK contract but even then they are very close to their top piers. This is a pattern-bargaining profession things always get better and they always get worse just wait around a while. The one on top eventually gets surpassed by someone else.

Originally Posted by donny

How is that any different than what they've been doing for the passed decade or so?

That's no rumor. It's become par for the course.

No lawsuit will stop this one. That's my unqualified legal opinion.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Well, if true along with the report from the Blue Jay, that would seem to indicate the West's fair-haired boy wonder Freund didn't deliver this time.

Tongues are starting to really wag now.

Originally Posted by flyinawa

I wouldn't read that much into the West fundraising effort. It's no more or less than it's been for what, almost 10 years? The only NEW call for funding has originated with the East pilots, who have a history of trying to circumvent agreements.

Originally Posted by flyinawa

I wouldn't read that much into the West fundraising effort. It's no more or less than it's been for what, almost 10 years? The only NEW call for funding has originated with the East pilots, who have a history of trying to circumvent agreements.