SO - Where's the SLI?
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Sliceback's guess of a mid August (ish) release seems to be the best bet right now. I would think if more delay occurs after that, then there would have to be some serious explaining to do and question of what is really occurring behind the scenes would be appropriate.
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Yup. I find it very suspicious that Kirby knew there would be a delay until mid August the day the list draft was delivered, top it off with his admission at latest crew news that his best friend is a 1999 east hire and things are becoming very clear.
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A month ago or so I unearthed an old Eagle bid sheet from 2005 and compared it to my May sheet here. Stunningly similar, almost identical with the typical 15 days of work for 80ish hours of flying. Dropping a trip is reason for popping a bottle of Champagne. The schedules (and flexibility due to drop or swap) was much better pre Chapter 11, I can tell you that. I had many green trips then. Yes, pay will be more then regionals, of course, but less then Delta and UAL and if you see the scale trend in the LCC's and considering our level of impotent leverage, they are certain to pass or at least equal us so perhaps we can call AA a "hybrid" LCC/Regional (Schedules, most bennies and most importantly TREATMENT to be that of a regional and pay to be that of an LCC). How many pilots make $400,000/year here even with 401(k) contribution ? I'll bet not many.
I thought you'd be more astute then taking that claim at face value. You seem much more observant then that. I'll have thousands of pilots junior to me here no matter how the SLI turns out, but my tongue-in-cheek responses to the ridiculous claims of others are too fun to pass up and as Purple said, it's all in fun.
Please tell me this completely shot over your head like a lightly loaded Lear Jet and you don't really believe I believe I'll be furloughed.
Go look at a DAL, UAL, SWA, JBLU, Spirit, etc. bid sheet. They all look the same. With the exception of their better minimum days at DAL, UAL and SWA our work rules are "generally" the same and the number of days worked are very similar.
However, the MAJOR difference between AA and a regional with QWL is no regional has a 9 day bid sheet that pays 90 hours or 12 day bid sheets that pay 85 plus. Yes, the domestic side looks very similar to regional bids sheets. Why? Because unfortunately for those who prefer QWL over money those who prefer money out voted them. Pilots generally only look at money and not how much they will be working until it's to late and their locked into their contract. Why do you think Parker thew all that money at us trying to court us? Because he knew pilots are no different than those in the oldest profession on earth - they like the smell of money and will look past everything else until it's to late.
There are many large wide body CA's making nearly $400,000. Even reserve LWB CA's are making $300,000 to $400,000. Narrow-body CA's that want to hump it are making over $300,000 plus their 16% pension contribution. Even in your horrible state you are making nearly 50% more in hourly pay than you made at the regional you worked at for over 20 years and 100% more in pension contributions. How many Eagle CA's out of 1,200 of them made what you made last year working the same hours you did?
Are we less in "total compensation" than DAL and UAL. Yes. But why? Because we are working under a BK contract. Each of them has had two cycles since BK. But to be fair our hourly rates (not total compensation) is currently higher than DAL's. Did anyone ever think that would be the case coming out of BK?
As for trying to determine whether you are being tongue-and-cheek or serious you make my point perfectly. No I can't tell. It's hard to tell when your being sarcastic or when your having one of your "down moments of doom and gloom".
If it is so bad at AA and we aren't any better than a regional why is the flow through rate from Eagle nearly 100%? Why aren't you calling everyone you know at Eagle's and telling them to stay that it's worse at American that it's not worth coming here? Why? Because you and they know it's not true.
If you had to make the choice again on whether to stay at Eagle or come to American you would make the same choice. Why? Because if you never did anything other than be a narrow-body FO, you would make more money, have a better pension and your quality of life would be at worse very similar to what it would be at Eagle other than you wouldn't be the one to decide who is flying the first leg.
Point is, get off the AA pilots are the same as being a regional pilot because they are not. They are working under a BK contract but even then they are very close to their top piers. This is a pattern-bargaining profession things always get better and they always get worse just wait around a while. The one on top eventually gets surpassed by someone else.
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Just between us, if you guys don't get the Nic, would you support using the war chest to sue again, or is it time to move on? For me, no lawsuit even if the Nic and the LAA proposal is used.
The rumor mill is really starting to churn now.
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I only support suing if there were improprieties happening during the comment period. Something like the company interjecting on a parties behalf etc.
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