SO - Where's the SLI?
07-13-2016, 05:12 PM
#411
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[QUOTE=Upsddown;2160928]
McCaskill-Bond includes language intended to prevent looking to the past and correcting perceived inequities from previous mergers, at least that's what I learned at indoc at Rupublic (management here is very bullish on our future, and wants us to be prepared...Bless you, Bryan Bedford!)
IMO, the AAPSIC knew that the past TWA situation would result in more scrutiny then others in this SLI …..
Yet the problem with that would be for the arbs to extract a "pound of flesh" out of the LAA pilots for their past actions it would result in the arbs actually doing even more harm to the TWA pilots. Hard to believe the arbs would have concluded to do greater harm to the very group they would be seeking to provide justice for. I think the AAPSIC realized this dichotomy as well.
Yet the problem with that would be for the arbs to extract a "pound of flesh" out of the LAA pilots for their past actions it would result in the arbs actually doing even more harm to the TWA pilots. Hard to believe the arbs would have concluded to do greater harm to the very group they would be seeking to provide justice for. I think the AAPSIC realized this dichotomy as well.
07-13-2016, 05:12 PM
#412
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Koontz isn't "in the know" so *** does it matter what he said? And Koontz knows nothing about the final outcome, so again, how can you leak something if you don't know what you're leaking? Your perpetual lies on here and other message boards have a total desperate odor to them, the hysteria out east is mimicking your "smashing victory" predictions of last decade- it's nice to see history repeat, don't you think?
Nobody knows how this will end, but being logical about things certainly is better than being consumed in emotion. Your abject fear of Nicolau is getting the best of you- all of you east zealots in fact (look at the stupid thread started by the resident 99 hire/ furloughee about the supposed PHX sickout- totally laughable! You guys are certainly a hoot, it really will be entertaining to watch Meltdown v2.0 next month.
Nobody knows how this will end, but being logical about things certainly is better than being consumed in emotion. Your abject fear of Nicolau is getting the best of you- all of you east zealots in fact (look at the stupid thread started by the resident 99 hire/ furloughee about the supposed PHX sickout- totally laughable! You guys are certainly a hoot, it really will be entertaining to watch Meltdown v2.0 next month.
Show me one, just one post where I suggested a smashing victory. I predicted that, eventually, we would have to live with the Nic. If it's not used I will have to admit that I was wrong.
Too bad you guys didn't use logic years ago.
You should be careful when you call someone a liar.
07-13-2016, 05:14 PM
#413
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I just think AAPSIC was conservative in their presentation considering the past and bent over backward to justify what they believed to be fair and equitable. It's a fine line to cross in going too far and asking too much without justification as the CAL committee attempted, but that those arbs could not validate.
No one wants to short change themselves in their argument, but to overreach can result in a more disadvantageous result then short-changing. Ironically, the most apt example I can think of was US Airways East ALPA who refused to budge off their DOH based principles and got the Nicolau award as a result. Had they been less intransigent, not only would they likely have gotten a better result for themselves, it would have been implemented resulting not only in huge financial gain for all over the next decade, but more importantly would be in a totally different place in this SLI considering those improved pre-merger economic equities.
I wonder if history will repeat itself, at least to some degree ?
No one wants to short change themselves in their argument, but to overreach can result in a more disadvantageous result then short-changing. Ironically, the most apt example I can think of was US Airways East ALPA who refused to budge off their DOH based principles and got the Nicolau award as a result. Had they been less intransigent, not only would they likely have gotten a better result for themselves, it would have been implemented resulting not only in huge financial gain for all over the next decade, but more importantly would be in a totally different place in this SLI considering those improved pre-merger economic equities.
I wonder if history will repeat itself, at least to some degree ?
Do you have any other talents in the professional airline pilot business, besides kneeling in front of national alpa reps?
You will need such during the furlough time.
07-13-2016, 05:19 PM
#416
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I just think AAPSIC was conservative in their presentation considering the past and bent over backward to justify what they believed to be fair and equitable. It's a fine line to cross in going too far and asking too much without justification as the CAL committee attempted, but that those arbs could not validate.
No one wants to short change themselves in their argument, but to overreach can result in a more disadvantageous result then short-changing. Ironically, the most apt example I can think of was US Airways East ALPA who refused to budge off their DOH based principles and got the Nicolau award as a result. Had they been less intransigent, not only would they likely have gotten a better result for themselves, it would have been implemented resulting not only in huge financial gain for all over the next decade, but more importantly would be in a totally different place in this SLI considering those improved pre-merger economic equities.
I wonder if history will repeat itself, at least to some degree ?
No one wants to short change themselves in their argument, but to overreach can result in a more disadvantageous result then short-changing. Ironically, the most apt example I can think of was US Airways East ALPA who refused to budge off their DOH based principles and got the Nicolau award as a result. Had they been less intransigent, not only would they likely have gotten a better result for themselves, it would have been implemented resulting not only in huge financial gain for all over the next decade, but more importantly would be in a totally different place in this SLI considering those improved pre-merger economic equities.
I wonder if history will repeat itself, at least to some degree ?
07-13-2016, 05:20 PM
#417
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[QUOTE=Saul Rosenberg;2160952]
McCaskill-Bond includes language intended to prevent looking to the past and correcting perceived inequities from previous mergers, at least that's what I learned at indoc at Rupublic (management here is very bullish on our future, and wants us to be prepared...Bless you, Bryan Bedford!)
McCaskill-Bond's purpose is to ensure a fair process. It is based on Allegheny-Mohawk provisions section 3 and 13 which provide for negotiations and if no agreement, binding arbitration. That's all. There are no guarantees of X result as both "fair" and "equitable" almost always mean different things to each party. Nicolau reiterated that when he said that the various proposals presented rarely meet the standard that arbitrators end up adopting.
As for the nonsensical and irrelevant babbling about what you're taught at a regional airline in indoc, that is of no concern here. I have difficulty believing an airline is wasting valuable indoc training time teaching McCaskill-Bond or Seniority Integration 101. With a fresh arrival and these 5 posts, I think you're out where the busses don't run, but your ridiculous assertions do serve a purpose of expanding on things others might find useful.
McCaskill-Bond includes language intended to prevent looking to the past and correcting perceived inequities from previous mergers, at least that's what I learned at indoc at Rupublic (management here is very bullish on our future, and wants us to be prepared...Bless you, Bryan Bedford!)
As for the nonsensical and irrelevant babbling about what you're taught at a regional airline in indoc, that is of no concern here. I have difficulty believing an airline is wasting valuable indoc training time teaching McCaskill-Bond or Seniority Integration 101. With a fresh arrival and these 5 posts, I think you're out where the busses don't run, but your ridiculous assertions do serve a purpose of expanding on things others might find useful.
07-13-2016, 05:23 PM
#418
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