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Old 07-09-2016, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaineFaban
No BS. The West pilots are the ONLY group going to come out unscathed. Crap airline with crap pay and benefits dragging down the industry since inception. They will now have access to a global network with massive increases to their compensation, and even at the bottom of the list will be light years ahead of where they should be. The list will treat them much more fairly than the bottom as well. They are not victims, they are victors, no matter how you slice it.
Laughable flame bait post but hey, whatever.
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaineFaban
No BS. The West pilots are the ONLY group going to come out unscathed. Crap airline with crap pay and benefits dragging down the industry since inception. They will now have access to a global network with massive increases to their compensation, and even at the bottom of the list will be light years ahead of where they should be. The list will treat them much more fairly than the bottom as well. They are not victims, they are victors, no matter how you slice it.
I am going to give it a wild guess here and say that maybe just maybe that unscathed you mentioned had something to do with the almost 10 years of scathing that was bestowed upon us. Just a wild guess.

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Old 07-09-2016, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaineFaban
I got news for you, AWA wasn't the center of the aviation universe. It was only a matter of time until they succumbed to SWA. Failure after failure after failure of an airline. Then the govt stepped in to save them. Everyone lost after 9/11. I for one am impressed with the East ability to work the system. Its not the way I would have done it, but the change in ALPA merger procedure, and the way mergers have gone since show that there was the possibility of another US/AWA with the way the rules were written. Tough luck for you, but you ain't the first and you certainly won't be the last.

As long as the merger system has subjectivity in it, there will be winners and losers. My opinion is that AWA hit the lottery, no matter the outcome of the SLI, and actually hit the lottery twice by being anywhere but the bottom of the new list.

You disagree, and the world will keep spinning. I would have loved to see an AWA/Allegiant merger and seen the arguments of the West committee--and the Allegiant committee for that matter.
Wow, you a naative?
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Lucky - in the mid 80's every surviving legacy airline had young guys hired.
This is true, but the pilots at the other places weren't hired under B-scale. That made AA a decidedly less attractive place to be at the time... and many of those pilots are now our long haul WB captains with upwards of a decade to go until retirement. I was pointing out that what you sign on for and what you end up with can be two vastly different things.
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Old 07-09-2016, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinawa
Laughable flame bait post but hey, whatever.
Not really. You guys know it too, that's why you walk around with chips on your shoulders. Denial is a powerful thing.
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Old 07-09-2016, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BlaineFaban
Not really. You guys know it too, that's why you walk around with chips on your shoulders. Denial is a powerful thing.
What squadron?
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Old 07-09-2016, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckyNow
This is true, but the pilots at the other places weren't hired under B-scale. That made AA a decidedly less attractive place to be at the time... and many of those pilots are now our long haul WB captains with upwards of a decade to go until retirement. I was pointing out that what you sign on for and what you end up with can be two vastly different things.
Attractiveness is a relative term. The early guys made 767 CA in 7-8 years.

Some guys left for other airlines, primarily NW, in 1985. Other than that the turnover to other airlines was almost non existent.
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Old 07-09-2016, 04:43 PM
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It's seems nothing will alleviate ten years of bitterness. Even if you put all the bitter pilots in 777s, I'm afraid they would spend all their days recounting every single day of the decade of bitterness.
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Old 07-09-2016, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
It's seems nothing will alleviate ten years of bitterness. Even if you put all the bitter pilots in 777s, I'm afraid they would spend all their days recounting every single day of the decade of bitterness.
What you scum bags have done will never ever be forgotten.
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Old 07-09-2016, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by esadof
What you scum bags have done will never ever be forgotten.
I didn't ask for anyone to prove my point, but I should have known it wouldn't take long.

I hear there were lots of unexpected sick calls this week in PHX. Just a rumor.
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