SO - Where's the SLI?
#231
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Not testy at all. I find excess emotion overrated, but my impressions are my impressions as are yours. Besides, it's too nice out to get all worked up.
So, No Nic leak means no AAPSIC, thus the only two options left are East or West frameworks ?
I think THAT is going out on a limb. The absence of the Nic still leaves MANY options that neither East or West proposals mimic. How about LAA's first non Nic proposal ? There are other variables as well that in all likelihood will present us with a result that NO side can claim victory by association. On another note, let's just say the arbs adopt or closely follow an East model. Well, that would not only anger the entire West, but anger most of LAA, especially most, if not all of the bottom several thousand F/O's who have stagnated the last 15 years and now will wave goodbye to any decent chance of a back end career. Possible, but to me that would be about the best way to ensure not only, inter-pilot alienation, but add several thousand more to the "I don't give a damn anymore" crowd and that would seem to be the most destabilizing outcome for both pilots and company.
From what I read, arbitrators take that type of stuff into consideration. Personally, I wouldn't be so quick to go out on that limb of yours as it sure seems unstable and risky to me, but who knows.........maybe the fat acorn you think you see at the end of that limb is truly obtainable without a long fall to get it ?
No offense taken. A Nic win would have been leaked by now. No Nic means no reAAl list (The 9th's last minute intrusion into the arbitration really threw the reAAl committee off balance. Too bad really.)
Come on, go out on a limb. If there is no Nic then the numbers are gonna fall between the AWA and US numbers. Throw in a wide body fence.
Come on, go out on a limb. If there is no Nic then the numbers are gonna fall between the AWA and US numbers. Throw in a wide body fence.
I think THAT is going out on a limb. The absence of the Nic still leaves MANY options that neither East or West proposals mimic. How about LAA's first non Nic proposal ? There are other variables as well that in all likelihood will present us with a result that NO side can claim victory by association. On another note, let's just say the arbs adopt or closely follow an East model. Well, that would not only anger the entire West, but anger most of LAA, especially most, if not all of the bottom several thousand F/O's who have stagnated the last 15 years and now will wave goodbye to any decent chance of a back end career. Possible, but to me that would be about the best way to ensure not only, inter-pilot alienation, but add several thousand more to the "I don't give a damn anymore" crowd and that would seem to be the most destabilizing outcome for both pilots and company.
From what I read, arbitrators take that type of stuff into consideration. Personally, I wouldn't be so quick to go out on that limb of yours as it sure seems unstable and risky to me, but who knows.........maybe the fat acorn you think you see at the end of that limb is truly obtainable without a long fall to get it ?
#232
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
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Not testy at all. I find excess emotion overrated, but my impressions are my impressions as are yours. Besides, it's too nice out to get all worked up.
So, No Nic leak means no AAPSIC, thus the only two options left are East or West frameworks ?
I think THAT is going out on a limb. The absence of the Nic still leaves MANY options that neither East or West proposals mimic. How about LAA's first non Nic proposal ? There are other variables as well that in all likelihood will present us with a result that NO side can claim victory by association. On another note, let's just say the arbs adopt or closely follow an East model. Well, that would not only anger the entire West, but anger most of LAA, especially most, if not all of the bottom several thousand F/O's who have stagnated the last 15 years and now will wave goodbye to any decent chance of a back end career. Possible, but to me that would be about the best way to ensure not only, inter-pilot alienation, but add several thousand more to the "I don't give a damn anymore" crowd and that would seem to be the most destabilizing outcome for both pilots and company.
From what I read, arbitrators take that type of stuff into consideration. Personally, I wouldn't be so quick to go out on that limb of yours as it sure seems unstable and risky to me, but who knows.........maybe the fat acorn you think you see at the end of that limb is truly obtainable without a long fall to get it ?
So, No Nic leak means no AAPSIC, thus the only two options left are East or West frameworks ?
I think THAT is going out on a limb. The absence of the Nic still leaves MANY options that neither East or West proposals mimic. How about LAA's first non Nic proposal ? There are other variables as well that in all likelihood will present us with a result that NO side can claim victory by association. On another note, let's just say the arbs adopt or closely follow an East model. Well, that would not only anger the entire West, but anger most of LAA, especially most, if not all of the bottom several thousand F/O's who have stagnated the last 15 years and now will wave goodbye to any decent chance of a back end career. Possible, but to me that would be about the best way to ensure not only, inter-pilot alienation, but add several thousand more to the "I don't give a damn anymore" crowd and that would seem to be the most destabilizing outcome for both pilots and company.
From what I read, arbitrators take that type of stuff into consideration. Personally, I wouldn't be so quick to go out on that limb of yours as it sure seems unstable and risky to me, but who knows.........maybe the fat acorn you think you see at the end of that limb is truly obtainable without a long fall to get it ?
The speculations are all entertainment. Fair, equitable, implemented.
#233
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#237
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I dont know PT. A certain Spartan General is sabre rattling over on C&R. Using words like "binding , courts, the 9th." They aren't still trying to sell ties, are they?
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#240
You'll still end up one number senior to me. I'm former Eagle AND America West.
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