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Yes, you did. Half of the team that negotiated it was west and your base overwhelmingly voted for it. You scream about people not living up to their agreements, only to not live up to your agreement.

esadof

You have the worst case of confirmation bias known to man. You should donate your brain to science.

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Sometimes the faults that are so easy to see in others are our own biggest faults.

Happy sailing.

esadof

Not really, you focus on a single event like voting for the mou but ignore the circumstances involved, let's just say your lack situational awareness about the position the west was put in is astounding. We got the DFR and we got usapa's money, one would think you would learn something from that.....

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A single event? Really? This has been going on for over a decade with multiple twists and turns. I'd say the merger and MOU were the turning points. Up until then I thought we were stuck with the Nic, but the MOU was clearly a do-over. We still don't know the outcome.

It was one of your own that filled me in on your plan. A pretty high level AOL guy.

After a decade of whinning about the other group not living up to it's agreements (incorrectly, you like to ignore the TA) I can see why it's hard to have your MOU hypocrisy uncovered.

You got a DFR that didn't change anything, except maybe give you a more formidable opponent, and the money you got is a drop in the bucket compared to dues paid and legal expenses. Pyrrhic victory?

esadof

The west did what it had to do under attack from hostile criminal Union and hostile management. Whatever we get will be 10 times better than what usApa would have delivered for us. So not a Pyrrhic victory, a great victory against incredible odds. Every west pilot is very comfortable knowing we had the best representation at the table anyone could ask for, that wasn't given to us, we won that right. If the arbs don't see it our way then so be it.

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Well good then. I thought you might be distressed.

You have already won a big victory, you caused the east to give up on DOH. Well, I guess that's a victory. I don't think it would have every flown and in giving it up the East adopted a more likely method.

But anyway, if you don't get the Nic you will be satisfied and so will I! Let's pull for that and move on. :-)

esadof

As long as I stay senior to you TR......

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If that's what the BOA decides, I'll live with it. Will you ve able to live with being junior to me?

Upsddown

Esadof,

I'm not trying to be combative or taking sides with the NIC. I'm trying to see if I understand the opposing views so when the award comes out I can potentially understand the BOA's reasoning better. Instead of being defensive just help educate so you can help us (me) understand.

You are correct. Anyone was free to propose anything they wanted. One item I am trying to understand is Freund signing the Procedural Ground Rules. I realize he did not sign the Protocol Agreement but he did sign the Procedural Ground Rules that specifically stated the West was a committee established by the Protocol Agreement and that the following procedures shall apply to the seniority integration arbitration.

One of those procedures read:

V. Joint Exhibits and Stipulations

6. Certified pre merger seniority lists:
A. AAPSIC
B. USAPA Merger Committee
C. West Pilots Merger Committee

This would seem to imply prior to "this" merger there were still three lists in existence as defined in the Protocol Agreement.

Question 1. How do you explain that there were not three list but just two (NIC/LAA) when the Protocol Agreement and Procedural Ground Rules (Signed by Freund and Harper)
specifically called for the use of three lists in this merger?

USAPA was never found guilty of any illegal act, DFR act, or required as a result of a legal decision from a United States COURT system to implement the NIC list between the period of the NIC award and (Prior to) the drafting of the Protocol Agreement for THIS merger.

Question 2. Do you agree or disagree with the statement above? Simple yes or no answer suffices.

As a result of including 2h in the Protocol Agreement USAPA was found guilty of DFR.

Question 3. Was USAPA found guilty of any other DFR issue besides inserting 2h in the MOU? Once again simple yes or no suffices.