SO - Where's the SLI?
09-01-2016, 10:05 AM
#1863
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 90
Yeah, you're right. I sometimes fall into the trap of lumping everyone together. There are some really good west guys that didn't believe all the AOL BS, a lot just didn't think they had any other choice.
I believe it was CB53 that was fond of quoting former USAPA president Cleary when, in his ALPA merger committee days, said that no arbitration has been overturned by the courts.
I believe it was CB53 that was fond of quoting former USAPA president Cleary when, in his ALPA merger committee days, said that no arbitration has been overturned by the courts.
Oh yeah, he still does it, in fact he did it on that "other" forum just a few minutes ago. I think it gives him comfort in some strange way, but he doesn't seem to understand some relevant points: 1) just because an ALPA arbitration hadn't been "overturned by the courts" doesn't mean that it might not happen in the future, 2) ALPA left the property in 2008...... 3) The process we are involved in right now isn't "court", 4) there isn't a court in the land who ruled that the Nicolau-generated proposal from 2007 must be used, 5) did I mention ALPA left the property in 2008?, 6) I could go on but what's the point? ALPA was voted off the property for good reason, the mighty West refused to compromise, and the merged list never became REALITY. So, dealing with REALITY, management worked with the unions in place in 2013 to craft the MOU and sold this merger to all parties and the investment community as a "do over" as far as seniority issues were concerned. Funny, it was a Memorandum of "Understanding" but one party now claims not to "understand."
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09-01-2016, 11:40 AM
#1864
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,299
Oh yeah, he still does it, in fact he did it on that "other" forum just a few minutes ago. I think it gives him comfort in some strange way, but he doesn't seem to understand some relevant points: 1) just because an ALPA arbitration hadn't been "overturned by the courts" doesn't mean that it might not happen in the future, 2) ALPA left the property in 2008...... 3) The process we are involved in right now isn't "court", 4) there isn't a court in the land who ruled that the Nicolau-generated proposal from 2007 must be used, 5) did I mention ALPA left the property in 2008?, 6) I could go on but what's the point? ALPA was voted off the property for good reason, the mighty West refused to compromise, and the merged list never became REALITY. So, dealing with REALITY, management worked with the unions in place in 2013 to craft the MOU and sold this merger to all parties and the investment community as a "do over" as far as seniority issues were concerned. Funny, it was a Memorandum of "Understanding" but one party now claims not to "understand."
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09-01-2016, 04:48 PM
#1865
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 90
Looks like the list is out. Personal data on aaPilots.com shows numbers. I didn't fare too well....actually, I was stapled. It's an East pilot blood bath. Early indications are that the West did VERY well, with 1998 hires in the 4000-5000 range. Amazing. Guess all the positive rumors were just to keep the profit center (east) operating.
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09-01-2016, 05:08 PM
#1866
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Posts: 1,353
Looks like the list is out. Personal data on aaPilots.com shows numbers. I didn't fare too well....actually, I was stapled. It's an East pilot blood bath. Early indications are that the West did VERY well, with 1998 hires in the 4000-5000 range. Amazing. Guess all the positive rumors were just to keep the profit center (east) operating.
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WD
09-01-2016, 05:10 PM
#1867
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Posts: 1,967
The West has implicitly assumed the courts have an obligation to protect the Nic and to insert the Nic into a contract. The courts have repeatedly explained they have no obligation to impose the Nic on anyone for anything.
The courts made it clear that the BOA is free to ignore the Nic. Did they mean it?
09-01-2016, 05:22 PM
#1868
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Did you bother to ever read any of your lawsuits? Seriously...
The West has implicitly assumed the courts have an obligation to protect the Nic and to insert the Nic into a contract. The courts have repeatedly explained they have no obligation to impose the Nic on anyone for anything.
The courts made it clear that the BOA is free to ignore the Nic. Did they mean it?
The West has implicitly assumed the courts have an obligation to protect the Nic and to insert the Nic into a contract. The courts have repeatedly explained they have no obligation to impose the Nic on anyone for anything.
The courts made it clear that the BOA is free to ignore the Nic. Did they mean it?
WD
09-01-2016, 05:39 PM
#1869
Are we there yet??!!
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,010
Looks like the list is out. Personal data on aaPilots.com shows numbers. I didn't fare too well....actually, I was stapled. It's an East pilot blood bath. Early indications are that the West did VERY well, with 1998 hires in the 4000-5000 range. Amazing. Guess all the positive rumors were just to keep the profit center (east) operating.
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Read further in the Decs HI8 and you will see your L-US seniority number too.
Checked AApilots and the seniority calc does not work due to current seniority number
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09-01-2016, 05:44 PM
#1870
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: A320 CAPT
Posts: 93
Oh yeah, he still does it, in fact he did it on that "other" forum just a few minutes ago. I think it gives him comfort in some strange way, but he doesn't seem to understand some relevant points: 1) just because an ALPA arbitration hadn't been "overturned by the courts" doesn't mean that it might not happen in the future, 2) ALPA left the property in 2008...... 3) The process we are involved in right now isn't "court", 4) there isn't a court in the land who ruled that the Nicolau-generated proposal from 2007 must be used, 5) did I mention ALPA left the property in 2008?, 6) I could go on but what's the point? ALPA was voted off the property for good reason, the mighty West refused to compromise, and the merged list never became REALITY. So, dealing with REALITY, management worked with the unions in place in 2013 to craft the MOU and sold this merger to all parties and the investment community as a "do over" as far as seniority issues were concerned. Funny, it was a Memorandum of "Understanding" but one party now claims not to "understand."
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The Ninth Circuit’s holding, that the denial of the Nicolau Award in Paragraph 10.h. of the MOU breached USAPA’s duty of fair representation, is effectively the tie-breaker on this question. With the Ninth Circuit’s affirmation of the West Pilots’ reasonable expectation of the Nicolau Award, the AASPIC acknowledges it as the starting point for ranking the East and West Pilots on the ISL. As part of the ISL, the US Airways Pilots (East and West) should be ordered based on the Nicola Award……the job allocations as between the West and East Pilots must be rationalized according to the Nicolau Award as those pilots compete for jobs with each other for the first time, so that West Pilots achieve their expectations vis a vis the East Pilots.
AAPSIC Pre-Hearing Statement 19 Sept 2015
Who knows what the BOA will deliver? It seems that there is a wealth of testimony, doctrine, case-law to give the BOA guidance. I guess we'll all see together....AAPSIC Pre-Hearing Statement 19 Sept 2015
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