SO - Where's the SLI?
08-29-2016, 02:37 PM
#1791
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 3
Pleeeaase dude, put down the crack pipe. When I was hired by AWA in 04' they were one of about 3 hiring and I was thankful to get on, it was competitive. American, US Airways, Delta, Alaska, etc. hired ZERO in 04'. Nobody would have wanted to go to US even if they were hiring. Now American.... that would be a different story.
So just because AWA was hiring in 2004 it makes it a stellar career airline. I'm sure Allegiant was hiring then as well as was Spirit. Hum what do they all have in common. Second or third rate airlines .
08-29-2016, 03:05 PM
#1792
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 90
Well said. I've always laughed at the way west pilots want everyone to focus on those golden years between 2003 and 2005. While the industry sucked so badly for so many, they want you to believe that they were thriving and had the money to buy other airlines. Nothing is further from he truth, and yet if you don't buy their story, they accuse you of smoking crack.
Also, had the Nic been implemented, they still would have stagnated...it's just that they would have stagnated in the left seat, while pilots hired many, many years before them would have been stagnating in the right seat. The 2008-2011 period as well as age 65 caused a lot of the stagnation.
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08-29-2016, 04:28 PM
#1793
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 40
First off way too much logic in this post. The one part not being mentioned is how much worse off they would be without flying 30% of the east routes. Many 04/05 hires would be without jobs if it weren't for that flying going to them.
If anything We should be upset it took longer for us to upgrade since they had to take our flying. Not even a Thank You.
If anything We should be upset it took longer for us to upgrade since they had to take our flying. Not even a Thank You.
Management makes the decision where to allocate the flying based on business decisions, not to placate the whims of one group or another.
Frankly, if it weren't for the AA merger, East would still be on LOA 93, West on Contract 2004, with no hope of any financial gains due to the Nic impasse, and the fact that USAPA was never going to get a new CBA.
By that measure, you could say that USAirways Pilots, East and West,
may have already achieved a windfall by merging with AA. BOTH will have access to all the financial and positional gains Upsddown cites in his wordy post.
It will be interesting to see if the arbs factored in the (wait for it) superior pay AA pilots brought to the merger in crafting their list.
08-29-2016, 05:09 PM
#1794
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: A330
Posts: 173
After the US/HP merger, which you act as if never happened, it was collectively USAirways flying. Not East/West or USAPA block hours.
Management makes the decision where to allocate the flying based on business decisions, not to placate the whims of one group or another.
Frankly, if it weren't for the AA merger, East would still be on LOA 93, West on Contract 2004, with no hope of any financial gains due to the Nic impasse, and the fact that USAPA was never going to get a new CBA.
By that measure, you could say that USAirways Pilots, East and West,
may have already achieved a windfall by merging with AA. BOTH will have access to all the financial and positional gains Upsddown cites in his wordy post.
It will be interesting to see if the arbs factored in the (wait for it) superior pay AA pilots brought to the merger in crafting their list.
Management makes the decision where to allocate the flying based on business decisions, not to placate the whims of one group or another.
Frankly, if it weren't for the AA merger, East would still be on LOA 93, West on Contract 2004, with no hope of any financial gains due to the Nic impasse, and the fact that USAPA was never going to get a new CBA.
By that measure, you could say that USAirways Pilots, East and West,
may have already achieved a windfall by merging with AA. BOTH will have access to all the financial and positional gains Upsddown cites in his wordy post.
It will be interesting to see if the arbs factored in the (wait for it) superior pay AA pilots brought to the merger in crafting their list.
From what I saw the pay rates didn't even come into factor with the final list similar to United/continental or delta/northwest. Another purpose of the mou was to put all groups on equal footing reguarding pay going into the merger. The only thing that seems to hurt a group is when they propose windfalls against another group sorta like the apa's.
It will be interesting to see if the arbs factored in 1500 superior pilots being furloughed under their standalone plan? Hm
08-29-2016, 05:44 PM
#1795
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 431
Along with your others:
No NIC
70 LOS 30 Category
4 year fences
West fenced off from all LWB for four years
Once you let us know what it said about Letter T pilots and TWA pilots and with the answer to the question above and the items you've already stated we won't need to see the award we will already know it.
08-29-2016, 06:06 PM
#1796
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: A330
Posts: 173
Is this another one of your statements of what's going to be included in the award?
Along with your others:
No NIC
70 LOS 30 Category
4 year fences
West fenced off from all LWB for four years
Once you let us know what it said about Letter T pilots and TWA pilots and with the answer to the question above and the items you've already stated we won't need to see the award we will already know it.
Along with your others:
No NIC
70 LOS 30 Category
4 year fences
West fenced off from all LWB for four years
Once you let us know what it said about Letter T pilots and TWA pilots and with the answer to the question above and the items you've already stated we won't need to see the award we will already know it.
08-29-2016, 06:27 PM
#1797
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 431
No NIC
70/30
4 year LWB fence
West fenced off from all LWB
Senior West pilot not able to hold Group III CA.
Bottom 1500 LAA pilots placed to the bottom.
Looks like West and LAA got whacked pretty hard and East did great based on what you have stated you've heard so far.
08-29-2016, 06:57 PM
#1798
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,967
Is this another one of your statements of what's going to be included in the award?
Along with your others:
No NIC
70 LOS 30 Category
4 year fences
West fenced off from all LWB for four years
Once you let us know what it said about Letter T pilots and TWA pilots and with the answer to the question above and the items you've already stated we won't need to see the award we will already know it.
Along with your others:
No NIC
70 LOS 30 Category
4 year fences
West fenced off from all LWB for four years
Once you let us know what it said about Letter T pilots and TWA pilots and with the answer to the question above and the items you've already stated we won't need to see the award we will already know it.
08-29-2016, 07:12 PM
#1799
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 431
He has already repeatedly confirmed he heard the other things I reposted so no need to confirm them.
08-29-2016, 07:21 PM
#1800
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: A330
Posts: 173
I was responding to his idea of us getting whacked on seniority because we weren't making equal amounts. If the arbs consider that then they have to consider Americans stand alone plan was to furlough 1500 pilots. I don't know where they will go, maybe they will hold the first 1500 numbers? No need to get all jacked out of shape soon it will all come to light.
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