beancounter

Not planning on any lawsuits here, it is what it is. Besides, this time there's no clause to hold up the implementation. I'm sure many will try and screw things up with lawsuits (on all sides), not happening this time, and it's really hard to change things after the implementation.

trent890

I thought all of us pilots working for AAG were uniformed in one way or another.
Coming to work in street clothes would seem to be against company policy.
Then again, there are those among us who are simply uninformed...

beancounter

Ummmmm, do you have some kind of mental block? Or maybe a reading comprehension problem? Yeah, they were ordered to use the Nic, that's why they disbanded. What planet are you on? Oh, that's right, the one where US Airways wasn't about to liquidate. Yeah, riiiiiiiiight.

eaglefly

Even if lawsuits are filed, it would require succesful injunction to hold up ISL implementation and the chance of that is exceedingly slim. If DFR is filed (which has already occurred anyway), it would be for damages.

Big business crossed its T's and dotted its I's this time and will steamroll their interests down our Elm street to complete merger synergies ASAP despite the barking of various dogs in the neighborhood.

flyinawa

I'm guessing you're an East pilot. Why don't you stick to pontificating what the broke East pilots are planning to do with their fundraising efforts. The West pilots clearly understand the phrase "Final and Binding". Many of your brothers have found the term confusing. I'm betting regardless of the outcome, any disputes will originate on your side of the fence.

Wow, you are one angry son of a gun. Are you losing your 190 Captain seat?

eaglefly

Maybe he'll be personally cracking his piggy bank to pay the West ?

Anyhow, since I think it's likely that there will be some SLI 3rd listers and West F/O's junior to me on the ISL, not to mention all post merger pilots, that means if I get furloughed (to teach me a lesson ), a lot of other pilots will be going with me.

Based on this latest information, I've started reviewing my furlough options. I understand ALPA may need a stapler technician (with possible instructor promotion) in Herndon and I am updating my resume accordingly.

Considering the bleak situation, any of the rest of you have your furlough plan ready ?

PurpleTurtle

You guys never did have good reading comprehension. It's why most of you goof balls were deluded into paying $675 for a gaudy $20 tie. USAPA was not ordered to use the Nic. USAPA was disallowed to participate in the MB process except to the extent they were going to support the Nic. That distinction appears beyond your grasp.

USAPA was not ordered to use it. If they were ordered to use it they would not have been allowed to withdraw from the MB process, and APA would not have been allowed (ordered) to establish an East committee. Nobody was ever ordered to use it. Use of the Nic has always been dependent upon a number of contingencies that have never materialized.

Even judge silver never could bring herself to order anyone to use the Nic.

The Nic has always been merely a potential seniority solution, regardless of the passions surrounding it.

Maybe the arbs will finally do what no one else was able to do in ten years. Maybe, maybe not.

PurpleTurtle

I'm flattered that you are so concerned about my expectations.

It's really quite simple. As always, I expect all parties to abide by the contract. The current contract provides far less discretion to the parties as we all move forward as a happy family, and we can all be glad of that!

svergin

It was binding arbitration. Not a "potential seniority solution". C'mon I'm not at your airline but it's patently obviously even to the most casual observer that the Nic Award was thwarted because of selfish actions, not because of some invariable event. The other factors weren't "if" but were "when". Your pilot group just decided unilaterally to make sure the "when" didn't happen. What's worse is that it was a full-scale theft of the rightful seniority rights of your fellow pilots. Stealing someone else's arbitrated seniority is high scabbing in my opinion. Why do you think when we see the American on your ID badges in the airport we ask which legacy you came from?

What you guys did since the SLI debacle makes all other SLIs look peaceful and love-filled.

PurpleTurtle

It was never binding. Never. It was always contingent upon the pilots agreeing to use it, exactly according to the terms that ALPA successfully won in the contract. All three committees in the present arbitration agree it was not binding. Ten years of court cases prove it was not binding (on anyone!).

Sure, people can be very passionate about their beliefs regarding the use of the Nic... But I find it humorous that so many people have spent so much time trying to persuade people, when supposedly there is no disagreement (because of the supposed "binding" agreement).

Every contract is binding to the extent of its terms, but not beyond the terms. C'est la vie.

ALPA (the premier airline union) forced its dues members to provide complete immunity to ALPA by outsourcing the seniority integration (of those same dues members) to a third party, with ambiguous/subjective goals.. And ALPA contractually stipulated that the 3rd party decision would be dependent on additional agreement afterwards... We are surprised at the outcome how?😄