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Old 08-24-2016, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Rosenberg
ALPA NEVER PROPOSED DOH....only LOS, and your scenario is bogus, as is most of what you guys post about the past, your tiny airline, its financial condition, growth plans, ability to grow, etc etc etc.


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"Here we feel that can be done, and that is what we propose the arbitration panel should do. Is to integrate the two seniority lists on the basis of date of hire, adjusted for furlough time that any pilot had through May 19, 2005, the date of the announcement of the merger, subject to temporary conditions and restrictions."

December 4, 2006. Page 20 of the AWA/AAA SLI Arbitration - Opening Statements from Atty Dan Katz.

I'm curious. Do we have to PROVE YOU WRONG just this ONCE, or will we have to do it EVERY SINGLE STINKIN' TIME?
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:48 PM
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What happened to Jack Russell/Eaglyfly?

All of his posts are gone.

I wonder what he'll come back as next time to feed his internet forum need. Any guesses?

Maybe 'wood cutter' under his father in laws email?
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
That's not correct. The AWA merger committee proposed to staple over 900 pilots that were active at the time of the merger.
PLEASE show your work from any passage of the hearings. REMEMBER...The SNAPSHOT date is MAY 18, 2005!
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
Do you ever ask questions or is it your normal M.O. to just assume what you will? See no matter what I say you are going to believe what ever you wish therefore this whole conversation of yours is rather moot.

WD

Well, we seem to have another reading comprehension problem on our hands. "Reading specialist to aisle nine, please. We need a reading specialist on aisle nine."

WiskeyRB, I clearly asked a question and it was a serious one...here it is for your review: ""Just so we're clear, when you say "win big at the expense of AA and the West"...are you really just saying "the arbs didn't use Nicolau"? ""

See the question mark at the end of my question? It means that it was a question. And my question to you is, restated and expanded so that there's no confusion, what are you implying or trying to convey when you say on this board that East pilots are claiming to "win big at the expense of AA and the West." What does that mean to you? Does it mean no Nic? Does it mean that East pilots are going to be vaulted 10, 15, or even 16 years up the list? I suppose since Nicolau placed AWA pilots that far ahead of US Airways pilots, that's something you might consider sort of meager, perhaps Fair & Equitable...so, what's a "big win" in your eyes? A 20 year jump?

Those are my questions. Your comment about me "believing" whatever I wish is simply nonsensical. This has nothing to do with believing. It has to do with dissecting rhetoric and BS.
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
For the millionth time, it was length of service
not date-of-hire and it included minimum captain positions in PHX for AWA pilots for 7 years so no furloughed USAir pilot would have taken anyone's captain seat.


......but it's okay for all the bottom AWA pilots to jump 16 years in seniority and take all the retirement based advances away from USAir pilots


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You should really read the facts, testimony and transcripts rather than quoting from emotion. Just a suggestion.
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Old 08-24-2016, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
That's not correct. The AWA merger committee proposed to staple over 900 pilots that were active at the time of the merger.
Maybe you are counting the pilots that were HIRED BACK after the merger took place while being furloughed on May 18, 2005. Could that be your error?
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Old 08-24-2016, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cactusboy53
"Here we feel that can be done, and that is what we propose the arbitration panel should do. Is to integrate the two seniority lists on the basis of date of hire, adjusted for furlough time that any pilot had through May 19, 2005, the date of the announcement of the merger, subject to temporary conditions and restrictions."

December 4, 2006. Page 20 of the AWA/AAA SLI Arbitration - Opening Statements from Atty Dan Katz.

I'm curious. Do we have to PROVE YOU WRONG just this ONCE, or will we have to do it EVERY SINGLE STINKIN' TIME?
Oh, such drama, such large font, such a lame and childish post. David, you know as well as I do that DOH adjusted for furlough time equals LOS. And that's what is written above in your cut-and-paste. So, even though you used capital letters, there's no proving anyone wrong. In fact, you just cut/pasted something that proved me RIGHT. Are you losing your mind? Is the water in fishbowl low on oxygen? Better take a few hits off the mask next time you fly.
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Old 08-24-2016, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Rosenberg
Well, we seem to have another reading comprehension problem on our hands. "Reading specialist to aisle nine, please. We need a reading specialist on aisle nine."

WiskeyRB, I clearly asked a question and it was a serious one...here it is for your review: ""Just so we're clear, when you say "win big at the expense of AA and the West"...are you really just saying "the arbs didn't use Nicolau"? ""

See the question mark at the end of my question? It means that it was a question. And my question to you is, restated and expanded so that there's no confusion, what are you implying or trying to convey when you say on this board that East pilots are claiming to "win big at the expense of AA and the West." What does that mean to you? Does it mean no Nic? Does it mean that East pilots are going to be vaulted 10, 15, or even 16 years up the list? I suppose since Nicolau placed AWA pilots that far ahead of US Airways pilots, that's something you might consider sort of meager, perhaps Fair & Equitable...so, what's a "big win" in your eyes? A 20 year jump?

Those are my questions. Your comment about me "believing" whatever I wish is simply nonsensical. This has nothing to do with believing. It has to do with dissecting rhetoric and BS.
Amusing how you too are chasing your tail so to that end I will be whom ever you wish to believe I am. I said very clearly what I wanted to get across which was if the east got this great win at expense of the LAA and west pilots. Now I know that there is supposedly a comprehension problem but tell me again how your statement ala question if you will with regards to Nic has any bearing on the LAA pilots?

I really don't have the time to play childish games with you son, your 99 hire status should be secured just slightly above the 3rd list pilots. Now this is your fate as per you spokesperson Vendetta in a LOS ordering.

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Old 08-24-2016, 03:22 PM
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What does Any of this discussion of what did or did not occur 10 years ago have to do with the release date of the current SLI? Or with anything pertaining to the current SLI? Will any of these useless points make any difference? When the SLI comes out will you still be discussing what happened 10 years ago? No one cares.
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Seventhreecapt
What does Any of this discussion of what did or did not occur 10 years ago have to do with the release date of the current SLI? Or with anything pertaining to the current SLI? Will any of these useless points make any difference? When the SLI comes out will you still be discussing what happened 10 years ago? No one cares.
Well, 2 of the 3 committees did proffer that the Nicolau List should be the starting point with the Legacy US Airways pilots. So, it's not like it's been thrown out.

I'm curious why the EPSIC chose to argue a relative seniority when USAPA's "gold standard" was DOH. By using relative seniority, they argue that a "third lister" should be senior to a PHX based US Airways pilot by a BUNCH. Now.....where have I heard that complaint before??
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