SO - Where's the SLI?
08-23-2016, 06:11 AM
#1591
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Ok. Well, there are lots of complicated situations here. Somehow, even something as objective as LOS has gotten screwed up by deferments/flow through equipment holds/leaves etc. LUS have pilots who were recalled but then "held" at a J4J carrier, and that is now counting as "extra" furlough time. These holds were of varying lengths without rhyme or reason. Messed up stuff! Anyway, within reason, we are all hopefully looking at something we can live with soon enough. If I end up stapled after 12 years of active service (like the APA proposal did,) I will be quietly leaving the business for something more entertaining (helo or bush flying perhaps.) If what we see is fair and equitable like the statute prescribes, I will quietly continue flying and generating revenue for the unscrupulous people we all work for 
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08-23-2016, 06:17 AM
#1592
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One man's information is another man's hemorrhoid inflammation device.
My replies are sometimes meant to educate, not that WD learns. Did you catch the, what was it? Certainty that LUS had 50% of it's pilots on furlough at the time of the US/AW merger? He was wrong, I showed him from Mr. Nicolau. I doubt he appreciated it, but perhaps others realized he's full of it.
When everyone was throwing around what the draft contained I winced. It inflamed some on the west. If the rumors are wrong you will never hear the end of it. But unlike you, I didn't think it was my place to preach to others about what they write. Unless I know that it's factually incorrect.
My replies are sometimes meant to educate, not that WD learns. Did you catch the, what was it? Certainty that LUS had 50% of it's pilots on furlough at the time of the US/AW merger? He was wrong, I showed him from Mr. Nicolau. I doubt he appreciated it, but perhaps others realized he's full of it.
When everyone was throwing around what the draft contained I winced. It inflamed some on the west. If the rumors are wrong you will never hear the end of it. But unlike you, I didn't think it was my place to preach to others about what they write. Unless I know that it's factually incorrect.
WD
08-23-2016, 06:19 AM
#1593
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Now to stir the pot a bit. I read somewhere "the East won" and "the West wants to win". Neither side won squat. Parker won. Now the 10 million dollar question. Parker had success because idiot pilots gave it to him. So now he is on the big seat. Does Parker have the ability to manage the big show, or is he the poster boy for the Peter Principle? Your career success is hanging on this question. Forget the past and get united, or you guys are going to be the New Mesa. R57- still hanging on, but I got lost going to the kitchen the other day.
Kat typed this for me. *There still could have been a interesting legal challenge- by delaying could USAPA be liable to a West/third list pilot or even a unhappy East pilot for failure to actively pursue a contract? Moot now as USAPA is not worth the effort.
08-23-2016, 06:19 AM
#1594
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WD
08-23-2016, 06:24 AM
#1595
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I'm wrong a lot, but not on the number of LUS furloughed pilots. I know it makes you mad when I show factual data that shows that you are wrong, but man up and admit it RB.
08-23-2016, 06:27 AM
#1596
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I know you get tired of being proven wrong with facts, but there is a simple solution-stop pulling "facts" out of your rear.
08-23-2016, 06:36 AM
#1597
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Nope. You are combining the USAPA forming/delay and the DFR- two entirely different actions. What the East did with forming USAPA and the delay was legal (perhaps/perhaps not ethical)- but it followed the contract(*). What USAPA did after was the DFR. I think a misstep by the East legal team or more likely PS was painted into a corner by the client USAPA.
Now to stir the pot a bit. I read somewhere "the East won" and "the West wants to win". Neither side won squat. Parker won. Now the 10 million dollar question. Parker had success because idiot pilots gave it to him. So now he is on the big seat. Does Parker have the ability to manage the big show, or is he the poster boy for the Peter Principle? Your career success is hanging on this question. Forget the past and get united, or you guys are going to be the New Mesa. R57- still hanging on, but I got lost going to the kitchen the other day. Kat typed this for me.
*There still could have been a interesting legal challenge- by delaying could USAPA be liable to a West/third list pilot or even a unhappy East pilot for failure to actively pursue a contract? Moot now as USAPA is not worth the effort.
Now to stir the pot a bit. I read somewhere "the East won" and "the West wants to win". Neither side won squat. Parker won. Now the 10 million dollar question. Parker had success because idiot pilots gave it to him. So now he is on the big seat. Does Parker have the ability to manage the big show, or is he the poster boy for the Peter Principle? Your career success is hanging on this question. Forget the past and get united, or you guys are going to be the New Mesa. R57- still hanging on, but I got lost going to the kitchen the other day.
Kat typed this for me. *There still could have been a interesting legal challenge- by delaying could USAPA be liable to a West/third list pilot or even a unhappy East pilot for failure to actively pursue a contract? Moot now as USAPA is not worth the effort.
I follow and agree with most of your post. But the 9ths ruling was actually very narrow and really didn't give the west anything it didn't already have, right? They, and no other court, ruled that the Nic must be used.
Sorry my friend, you're wrong about the contract. We did indeed handed Parker the ball, but he ran with it. The west filed the DFR and the die was cast to let the courts(or outside events, which turned out to be the case) settle it. After AOL failed Parker filed his own suit instead of negotiating. That suit was headed to appeal when the merger gave us all a way out.
Forgetting the past is easier said than done as this and other boards prove. But we still don't have an answer. Hopefully the BOA will give us that answer soon and we can move on.
Take care.
08-23-2016, 06:49 AM
#1599
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You mean WD is really RB?!? OMG if I'd only known! Complete waste of time discussing anything then. Somehow, with the anonymity, WD has that little bit of chutzpah that makes you think he's got an inside edge. RB is just a complete moron with nothing to offer. Makes total sense now, thanks!
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08-23-2016, 06:52 AM
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I'm curious how your senior guys over on the west feel about this whole thing. You know, the ones that with date of hire that could hold group 3 and 4 on the east for years. I'm sure they don't speak up tho, nobody would fly with them. It blows my mind every west pilot would be a captain now on just date of hire. We won't even talk about the goaline wye river fumble tonight. Date of hire has been alive and well for years with no bump no flush.
I think when the list comes out the east will have the least amount of funding to do.. I've tried to manage your expectations a few weeks ago but I'm concerned you are not gonna be a happy camper in a few short weeks.
I think when the list comes out the east will have the least amount of funding to do.. I've tried to manage your expectations a few weeks ago but I'm concerned you are not gonna be a happy camper in a few short weeks.
Date of Hire would have placed a FURLOUGHED US Air pilot in FRONT of a LINE HOLDING AWA Captain. You surely can understand how that was a non-starter. That is why the AWA Merger Committee argued for a RELATIVE SENIORITY of the pilots that were gainfully employed at the snap shot date.
I had a retiring A330 jumpseater on deck last year with 2 more flights. We discussed above and he rued the fact that he lost nearly $750,000.00 in wage (not to mention time off & other contract improvements) had the US Air pilot group finished the JCBA in 2008. I kind of wonder how many more of those guys there are - because they clearly didn't feel like they could speak up.
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