Wiskey Driver

Tell me in a few words what you think the overall purpose of the rebuttal actually is and why would it even be necessary to have it if the panel has already made its final decision? Some have indicated that its for tweaks, ok I can go along with this but define tweaks. I think and it's just an opinion that this whole rebuttal phase is more of "show us how this one impacts you vs that one". It would be best for everyone to either wait a few more days or ask R57 as he is the seeing all knowing all OZ.

WD

R57 relay

Maybe you should take your own advice, you little ray of sunshine.

I've never said I was all seeing or all knowing. Look back at my posts on this thread and see where I said anything about how this thing will turn out. I don't know, I've only heard the rumors that you have, maybe a few more.

You are just frustrated that I call you on your BS. If that frustrates you, don't post it.

flyinawa

This is the first post you've ever made that I absolutely agree with.

Wiskey Driver

Do you actually believe that? I am not even close to be being frustrated and if in your estimation what I have said is BS then that is your opinion and you are more than entitled to that opinion. I was attempting to be humorous by saying you were the seeing all knowing all OZ I clearly failed at that attempt of levity, I'm sorry.

WD

flyinawa

USAPA implemented 10h specifically so the MOU would appear to be a do-over. The only reasonable way to do over the list was to first consider US and AWA in 2005 and then add the 3rd list pilots and then use THAT as a stating point to merge with the AA list. The West DID that by using the Nic but the East chose to use West pilots as padding.

I admit that is my opinion but the only one on that matters is the interpretation the Arbs choose.

Xanderman

I disagree. The collective west goal was/is multi-pronged. First was to stop the DOH cram down. The second was to see the Nic recognized. From my perspective it would appear that the first prong was clearly satisfied. The second remains to be seen. I personally would not characterize any moderation of the Nic a loss. In fact to moderate something you must start with it so on some level the Nic was recognized and I'll be happy with that.

I will proudly wear that "cheap a$$" tie. It is a testament to our unity and collective strength standing up for ourselves when no one else would. Best money I've ever spent no matter the SLI outcome. But as others have mentioned, why does the tie bug you guys so much? Don't answer... That was rhetorical.

Also I would like to echo what others have said. I too will move on no matter the outcome of the SLI. Absent any gross impropriety I would not support another lawsuit. Rather I really hope (not holding my breath) we can come together and exercise some real unity and finally get a contract worthy of our expertise and professionalism.

R57 relay

Absolutely agree with you on that part and will live with whatever the panel decides.

Upsddown

Don't disagree with your view.

The arbs came out with the structure of their decision. I know this for a fact. Yes. Fact.

NIC or No NIC.
Fences
Status-Category/LOS weightings
Supp CC
Letter T

And so on. The rebuttal will not change the arbs to use the NIC if their proposal didn't and vice versa. Or to not have fences if they did or eliminate the concept of SC/LOS.

This is a somewhat non-traditional proceeding so who knows bedsides the SLI committee members but my view of "tweaks" is allowing the committee's the opportunity to show how they feel the arbs "may" have improperly emphasized the fences, weighting of SC/LOS and others items and how they should be "varied" from the arbs proposal to be more fair and equitable.

It will not be a wholesale change to their initial proposal given to the committee's last month.

PurpleTurtle

Purpose of rebuttal phase... One more nail to prevent lawsuits from unraveling their conclusion.

Wiskey Driver

The one thing you can always in life count on is the fact that you can not count on preventing lawsuits. If a party feels is though there is a case and you can find an attorney willing to take it on then you will have that lawsuit. Will there be lawsuits here?? Probably. Please don't kill the messenger this is merely an observation.

WD