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02-16-2016, 01:52 AM
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Just curious, but if approved, does this mean the individual USAPA officers are no longer in potential personal financial jeopardy and how would this money be distributed to whom ?
02-16-2016, 06:10 AM
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02-16-2016, 01:22 PM
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02-16-2016, 01:36 PM
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The answer is a resounding "no" and since it is, it seems clear what the pre-merger realities were and even more so, what they are now as a result of the merger and now West access to Group IV. To bolster that position in the consideration of "3 separate airlines" (actually seniority lists), are any East or West management pilots/check airman obtaining 777/787 slots or any similar LAA pilots going to A330/350 ?
I think this development is inconsequential to the arbitrators considerations.
02-16-2016, 01:45 PM
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I don't see any gaping hole. It would be just as apt to ask the question of whether this person would have been able to achieve such a position on 12/8/2013 ?
The answer is a resounding "no" and since it is, it seems clear what the pre-merger realities were and even more so, what they are now as a result of the merger and now West access to Group IV. To bolster that position in the consideration of "3 separate airlines" (actually seniority lists), are any East or West management pilots/check airman obtaining 777/787 slots or any similar LAA pilots going to A330/350 ?
I think this development is inconsequential to the arbitrators considerations.
The answer is a resounding "no" and since it is, it seems clear what the pre-merger realities were and even more so, what they are now as a result of the merger and now West access to Group IV. To bolster that position in the consideration of "3 separate airlines" (actually seniority lists), are any East or West management pilots/check airman obtaining 777/787 slots or any similar LAA pilots going to A330/350 ?
I think this development is inconsequential to the arbitrators considerations.
02-16-2016, 06:11 PM
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Are you aware of why they've had to search so much for A350 instructors? There's a reason for it, a lot of the east guys passed for a couple of big reasons... And he won't even be getting group four pay if his seniority can't hold it... So, today your guy would be getting paid group 2 pay to do group 4 stuff. You might want to hold off on claiming that as a victory. Is your guy one of the ones wrapped up in the Ansett deal? It seems odd to do a job with time zone changes etc without the pay. I mention all that because it's not necessary a "promotion".
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02-18-2016, 04:20 AM
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Are you aware of why they've had to search so much for A350 instructors? There's a reason for it, a lot of the east guys passed for a couple of big reasons... And he won't even be getting group four pay if his seniority can't hold it... So, today your guy would be getting paid group 2 pay to do group 4 stuff. You might want to hold off on claiming that as a victory. Is your guy one of the ones wrapped up in the Ansett deal? It seems odd to do a job with time zone changes etc without the pay. I mention all that because it's not necessary a "promotion".
If I were I new hire offered that deal I'd grab it in a second. I think that the Company should institute the CQFO program and offer F/O's to fly Captain if YOU DON"T WANT TO!
We don't need seniority for THAT. Just stupidity. No lack of that here with APA UNION PILOT MENTALITY!!!
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