404yxl

Actually it is a lie, because as you keep stating yourself, the final list had UAL furloughs put above CAL pilots.

svergin

It wasn't the final list. It was the S&C order. Which was correct. Everyone on here understands that apparently except for you.

404yxl

Did the final list have UAL furloughs put above active CAL pilots or not?

cactiboss

Eaglefly doesn't realize Freund proposal is exactly what he believes the list will look like. He isn't trying to "game" anything, as a matter of fact the west proposal is the only one devoid of any political influences. This is the way Freund works exclusively, he wouldn't of taken the west case if we didn't agree to work this way.

eaglefly

Considering the AAPSIC's blunder of adopting the Nicolau when not even the 9th did, yes, LAA pilots are at an unfortunate disadvantage IMO. We certainly don't have your supposed Messiah of Arbitrations, but then again, good arbitrators will craft their award on the facts of the particular case, not the blinding bling that any committees team tries to blind everyone with, your new desert homies included.

In a PROPERLY done arbitration, "luck" should be nowhere to be found in the process.

eaglefly

Incorrect (as usual). Eaglefly does realize it is what Freund "believes" it will look like. The undeniable result though is a meteoric windfall for the West considering their pre-merger equities.

Meteoric.

A fundamental foundation of any SLI is a process that ensures no one group obtains a windfall and most especially at the expense of another. IF............and that's IF the arbitrators elect to use the pure Nic, LAA pilots, especially those junior should not be railroaded out of their pre-merger equities. Read the UAL/CAL award. Pre-merger considerations ARE a component, yet this time around Freund considers them unquantifiable and suggests they shouldn't be considered at all. I still believe the pure Nic will not be adopted as it skews the list too much.

Considering the West's pre-merger position which is undeniable, I don't blame him for embracing his beliefs and deflecting the painful realities of pre-merger West pilot position. But, I understand it frustrates you when those not dazzled by Freund's bling question his tactics and conclusions.

cactiboss

The west's equities are all the lus equities and you need to come to grips with that, your merger committee did.

eaglefly

......and they made compensations for using it, which YOU need to come to grips with. Obviously, that has been very difficult for you.

cactiboss

Not difficult at all. I realize the "compensations" were done for political cover, not what is a realistic proposal.

EskimoJoe

Let me guess. You'll be the judge of what determines "properly Done". Sorry but that's the Arbitrators job, not yours. Nicolau was flawless. Your agreement is not necessary.