eaglefly

He's the leader of the psudo Dream Team and the West pilots on the committee are the "Gold Standard" ?

Thank you.........that made my day.

Enough to overlook everything else and award them the windfall result they are seeking ?

There ARE two other arbitrators on that panel and I don't think they're going to base any component of their award on "likability". At least we all should hope not.

404yxl

Did UAL furloughs get put ahead of some active CAL pilots on the final list or not?

Flytolive

Freund and has a team that directs the strategy and if the Merger Committtee is smart they will follow that direction.

It is obvious that you don't understand the proceedings or the players so I will simply say, good luck.

Flytolive

Yes they did.

eaglefly

Yes, obviously (in your mind) I don't.

I suppose if I did understand it the way you want me to, I'd should just shrug my shoulders at any claim the "dream team" makes and say, "if they say it is so, it must be so" and plead for the AAPSIC's Not ready for Gold Standard Players to go home and simply accept the righteousness of the Freundian Dream Team and his true Gold standard players ?

Oooooookay.

Flytolive

No, but you might want to realize that what you think of the players, process and what is fair is irrelevant so as to avoid years of bitterness over the outcome. I think the more you know about these things the more realistic your expectations will be.

eaglefly

Clearly, it is YOU who does not realize what my points or expectations are. You seem to be insinuating it is the players that influence the process more then the positions. I have to disagree with that, for again, if that were true, we ALL lose. You also say that what is fair is IRRELEVENT ?

Once again, I have to disagree, for if THAT were true, it would fly in the very face of McCaskill-Bond which is the guiding principle behind the whole process, NOT who the players are. What is fair (and equitable) is indeed relevant, but the issue is that those are subjective realizations depending on one's POV and that includes the arbitrators, which thankfully number three instead of one whom you seem to insinuate is dazzled by the Dream Team and will disregard position, fairness and the core principles of the process itself to validate some kind of man crush on Freund.

Please.

As for my expectations, IMO, whatever the arbitrators craft, it is almost certain I will place no better then my best position in the 3 proposals, nor worse then my worst position. Therefore, I think my expectations are well grounded and understood and my bitter disappointment you also seem to add to your misguided assumption collection will never come to fruition.

If you are a West pilot (and if not, you're WAY too emotionally involved with this SLI), I can only hope that YOU also adopt the philosophies you erroneously think I don't for should the Dream Team's dream turn out to be just that, it would be unfortunate if it resulted in your total crack-up worthy of EAP intervention.

Well then................I guess this is my cue to say, "good luck" to you.

Flytolive

You're gonna need all the luck you can get.

svergin

He's clueless. Don't try and explain it. He just saw 7. Furloughees and assumed that meant all the furloughees were stapled on the final award.

But the starting point was that exact list, that was then ADJUSTED for longevity with a 35% weighting.

That's what you get when someone armed with partial information gets on a message board discussing a relatively complex process.

svergin

We weren't talking about the final list. That post was the 3 different mergers that happened and the actual S&C used in each merger that the arbitrators decided. It was obviously posted to show the starting point for what each committee is asking for.

You point that it was a "lie" because that wasn't the final list is ridiculous because that's not what that was showing.

Each of those were cut and pasted from the actual awards that the arbitrators wrote. They certainly aren't "lies" as you claim.