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09-21-2015, 04:43 PM
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Plus, I have to laugh at the AA proposal. Where they might actually have had some constructive input that could in fact influence the arbitrators, they have chosen a path that the arbitrators will simply ignore. They are doing absolutely nothing to help their case. Perhaps, as some have suggested, this is a political move to protect the future of APA by insuring the loyalty of a majority of AA pilots, but either way it is sheer insanity, and a sad testament to the selfishness of pilot politics.
09-21-2015, 04:44 PM
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Thanks. It's important to recognize the east pilots didn't just hinder west careers, they cost the combined pilot group over $600 million, they harmed every other airline pilot in this country by voluntarily working for less than market rate and destroying pattern bargaining . They will be remembered as absolute scum of the industry in the next flying the line.
09-21-2015, 04:45 PM
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Actually I have a VERY clear picture of the last USAirways Annual Report. Which part would you like me to start quoting first . . .
You were headed for the graveyard in a most expeditious fashion, and that fact is simply not accepted by all East pilots and there in lies your tormented existence.
Pan Am pilots thought they ruled the world. They flew 747s.
Just because your "fleet" had big planes and great routes doesn't mean your corporation was viable. Pan AM, Eastern, TWA, and Braniff all had great fleets and routes.
i know . . . I know . . . you were just about to "turn the corner" . . .
We can speculate from here to eternity, but THAT is why an independent arbitrator put a 17 year pilot behind a new hire.
09-21-2015, 04:51 PM
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Thanks. It's important to recognize the east pilots didn't just hinder west careers, they cost the combined pilot group over $600 million, they harmed every other airline pilot in this country by voluntarily working for less than market rate and destroying pattern bargaining . They will be remembered as absolute scum of the industry in the next flying the line.
I was trying to be "politic", but I couldn't have said it better. Send me a PM someday. I'd love to buy you a beer somewhere sometime!
09-21-2015, 04:53 PM
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Actually I have a VERY clear picture of the last USAirways Annual Report. Which part would you like me to start quoting first . . .
You were headed for the graveyard in a most expeditious fashion, and that fact is simply not accepted by all East pilots and there in lies your tormented existence.
Pan Am pilots thought they ruled the world. They flew 747s.
Just because your "fleet" had big planes and great routes doesn't mean your corporation was viable.
i know . . . I know . . . you were just about to "turn the corner" . . .
We can speculate from here to eternity, but THAT is why an independent arbitrator put a 17 year pilot behind a new hire.
You were headed for the graveyard in a most expeditious fashion, and that fact is simply not accepted by all East pilots and there in lies your tormented existence.
Pan Am pilots thought they ruled the world. They flew 747s.
Just because your "fleet" had big planes and great routes doesn't mean your corporation was viable.
i know . . . I know . . . you were just about to "turn the corner" . . .
We can speculate from here to eternity, but THAT is why an independent arbitrator put a 17 year pilot behind a new hire.
Do you have AWA's? Where they made about 30 million in 2003, after 70 million in federal aid? Or 2004 where they lost money?
You don't know jack.
09-21-2015, 05:00 PM
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Actually i do know Jack. He was our house sitter for a year while we lived in Oregon, but then I digress.
The fact that AWA was not perfect is irrelevant. USAirways was not a viable carrier on their own. If you are not willing to accept that fact so be it, but intelligent folks, including the arbitrators presented with ALL the facts at that time disagreed with your memory of history. So either they are wrong or you are wrong.
Based on my reading of the annual report, YOU are wrong. USAirways was not a viable business at the time of the merger, but you will never accept that fact because you have far too much emotion invested in your opinion. I'm sorry I can't fix your pain.
09-21-2015, 05:34 PM
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Actually i do know Jack. He was our house sitter for a year while we lived in Oregon, but then I digress.
The fact that AWA was not perfect is irrelevant. USAirways was not a viable carrier on their own. If you are not willing to accept that fact so be it, but intelligent folks, including the arbitrators presented with ALL the facts at that time disagreed with your memory of history. So either they are wrong or you are wrong.
Based on my reading of the annual report, YOU are wrong. USAirways was not a viable business at the time of the merger, but you will never accept that fact because you have far too much emotion invested in your opinion. I'm sorry I can't fix your pain.
The fact that AWA was not perfect is irrelevant. USAirways was not a viable carrier on their own. If you are not willing to accept that fact so be it, but intelligent folks, including the arbitrators presented with ALL the facts at that time disagreed with your memory of history. So either they are wrong or you are wrong.
Based on my reading of the annual report, YOU are wrong. USAirways was not a viable business at the time of the merger, but you will never accept that fact because you have far too much emotion invested in your opinion. I'm sorry I can't fix your pain.
Neither airline was viable. The US/AW merger made two also-rans into a profitable major, putting it in line for the AA merger. Period. So says the guy running the largest airline in the world.
Again, did you read any AWA annual reports? The 2004 one is very interesting. Do you know who raised the money that funded the AW/US merger and paid off the ATSB loans, at a profit to the US government?
09-21-2015, 06:15 PM
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Neither airline was viable. The US/AW merger made two also-rans into a profitable major, putting it in line for the AA merger. Period. So says the guy running the largest airline in the world.
Again, did you read any AWA annual reports? The 2004 one is very interesting. Do you know who raised the money that funded the AW/US merger and paid off the ATSB loans, at a profit to the US government?
09-21-2015, 06:40 PM
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