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09-10-2015, 08:55 PM
#271
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Contracts have to be legal for them to be enforced. Doesn't matter who voted for what. 10h is illegal. It bit the "new Nicolau" right in the family jewels. Stupid is as stupid does.
09-11-2015, 08:24 AM
#272
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Way off the mark as usual. Read our filings, we don't want any restrictions on what the aapsic argues. "bully" the arbs with a seniority list that was arbitrated and deemed fair? That's rich, compare that with making up a list out of thin air like the "new nicks" did, its just so stupid.
Who would the arbs be if they didn't recognize the Nic ?
That's right, the "new Nic". By your own admission (repeatedly), the West intends to apply that label to anyone who takes any other position on the Nic then the Wests. You know it, I know it and everyone else SHOULD know it. Hopefully, the scope and crux of Silver's next action will not go beynd the 9th except to possibly require an East committee to recognize the Nic and also specifically state AAPSIC or the arbs would not be required to recignize or use the Nic and for either to do so would not be prejudicial.
The 9th specifically didn't do that and neither should Silver.
09-11-2015, 08:45 AM
#273
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......and you admit it once again, just sugaring it up with rationalizations. You admit that if AAPSIC doesn't recognize the Nic they are "the new Nic".
Who would the arbs be if they didn't recognize the Nic ?
That's right, the "new Nic". By your own admission (repeatedly), the West intends to apply that label to anyone who takes any other position on the Nic then the Wests. You know it, I know it and everyone else SHOULD know it. Hopefully, the scope and crux of Silver's next action will not go beynd the 9th except to possibly require an East committee to recognize the Nic and also specifically state AAPSIC or the arbs would not be required to recignize or use the Nic and for either to do so would not be prejudicial.
The 9th specifically didn't do that and neither should Silver.
Who would the arbs be if they didn't recognize the Nic ?
That's right, the "new Nic". By your own admission (repeatedly), the West intends to apply that label to anyone who takes any other position on the Nic then the Wests. You know it, I know it and everyone else SHOULD know it. Hopefully, the scope and crux of Silver's next action will not go beynd the 9th except to possibly require an East committee to recognize the Nic and also specifically state AAPSIC or the arbs would not be required to recignize or use the Nic and for either to do so would not be prejudicial.
The 9th specifically didn't do that and neither should Silver.
If the injunction covers the EPSIC then it truly will be amusing to watch the AAPSIC argue BY THEMSELVES a new order for the US pilots, because that is EXACTLY what will be happening. But if you advocate this strategy be my guest! The sillier your arguments are in front of the BOA only makes our side look that much better.
09-11-2015, 09:22 AM
#274
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Your statement above is laughable. Truly laughable. Nicolau is an arbitrator. The EPSIC and AAPSIC are a collection of pilots who think they know better than an arbitrator...
If the injunction covers the EPSIC then it truly will be amusing to watch the AAPSIC argue BY THEMSELVES a new order for the US pilots, because that is EXACTLY what will be happening. But if you advocate this strategy be my guest! The sillier your arguments are in front of the BOA only makes our side look that much better.
If the injunction covers the EPSIC then it truly will be amusing to watch the AAPSIC argue BY THEMSELVES a new order for the US pilots, because that is EXACTLY what will be happening. But if you advocate this strategy be my guest! The sillier your arguments are in front of the BOA only makes our side look that much better.
09-11-2015, 09:24 AM
#275
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,299
Your statement above is laughable. Truly laughable. Nicolau is an arbitrator. The EPSIC and AAPSIC are a collection of pilots who think they know better than an arbitrator...
If the injunction covers the EPSIC then it truly will be amusing to watch the AAPSIC argue BY THEMSELVES a new order for the US pilots, because that is EXACTLY what will be happening. But if you advocate this strategy be my guest! The sillier your arguments are in front of the BOA only makes our side look that much better.
If the injunction covers the EPSIC then it truly will be amusing to watch the AAPSIC argue BY THEMSELVES a new order for the US pilots, because that is EXACTLY what will be happening. But if you advocate this strategy be my guest! The sillier your arguments are in front of the BOA only makes our side look that much better.
Despite all the back and forth, I get where you guys are coming from. You just want what you were awarded almost a decade ago. But you have to understand that because of the circumstances, other people are in the seats you think you are entitled to. Using the Nic we effectively mean that LUS would get getting 2 for 1 credit on many seats. I imagine that LAA pilots might be sympathetic to your plight, but not willing to pay the price to fix it.
09-11-2015, 09:26 AM
#276
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......and you admit it once again, just sugaring it up with rationalizations. You admit that if AAPSIC doesn't recognize the Nic they are "the new Nic".
Who would the arbs be if they didn't recognize the Nic ?
That's right, the "new Nic". By your own admission (repeatedly), the West intends to apply that label to anyone who takes any other position on the Nic then the Wests. You know it, I know it and everyone else SHOULD know it. Hopefully, the scope and crux of Silver's next action will not go beynd the 9th except to possibly require an East committee to recognize the Nic and also specifically state AAPSIC or the arbs would not be required to recignize or use the Nic and for either to do so would not be prejudicial.
The 9th specifically didn't do that and neither should Silver.
Who would the arbs be if they didn't recognize the Nic ?
That's right, the "new Nic". By your own admission (repeatedly), the West intends to apply that label to anyone who takes any other position on the Nic then the Wests. You know it, I know it and everyone else SHOULD know it. Hopefully, the scope and crux of Silver's next action will not go beynd the 9th except to possibly require an East committee to recognize the Nic and also specifically state AAPSIC or the arbs would not be required to recignize or use the Nic and for either to do so would not be prejudicial.
The 9th specifically didn't do that and neither should Silver.
09-11-2015, 09:28 AM
#277
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Why is it laughable. Serious question, not a jab.
Despite all the back and forth, I get where you guys are coming from. You just want what you were awarded almost a decade ago. But you have to understand that because of the circumstances, other people are in the seats you think you are entitled to. Using the Nic we effectively mean that LUS would get getting 2 for 1 credit on many seats. I imagine that LAA pilots might be sympathetic to your plight, but not willing to pay the price to fix it.
Despite all the back and forth, I get where you guys are coming from. You just want what you were awarded almost a decade ago. But you have to understand that because of the circumstances, other people are in the seats you think you are entitled to. Using the Nic we effectively mean that LUS would get getting 2 for 1 credit on many seats. I imagine that LAA pilots might be sympathetic to your plight, but not willing to pay the price to fix it.
09-11-2015, 09:33 AM
#278
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Because we will have the guys that actually got the seats still in them, and the guys that were in line for them on the Nic ahead of LAA pilots,in the new line, to get the next captain seats and widebody F/O seats. It's really simple if you would look at it from a 17 year LAA F/Os perspective.
09-11-2015, 09:41 AM
#279
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Because we will have the guys that actually got the seats still in them, and the guys that were in line for them on the Nic ahead of LAA pilots,in the new line, to get the next captain seats and widebody F/O seats. It's really simple if you would look at it from a 17 year LAA F/Os perspective.
09-11-2015, 09:48 AM
#280
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Here's what the LAA committee could say. "While we are sympathetic to the west pilots situation, we do not believe it is fair for the LAA F/Os to pay for it. We see no way that won't happen if the never implemented Nicolau award is used. Using it will leave the current captains in their seats, while moving west F/Os ahead in line in front of LAA F/Os for the next upgrades. Perhaps fences or C&Rs could alleviate this problem, but we do not have a solution for that and history has shown that route to be troublesome. We believe that the board should abide by what we all agreed to- a status quo of the 3 seniority lists currently in effect. Thank you."
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